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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and I am joined

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by director and producer of the latest

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documentary to your streaming services

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secret space UFOs Apollo 1-11 Darcy we

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are as a documentary filmmaker who has

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chosen to explore some of the most

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intriguing topics of discussion today

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including UFOs Cryptids and Bitcoin with

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over 15 future life documentaries under

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this belt he also directs and produces

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the piece we're talking about today so

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welcome to the Pod Darcy

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thank you Andy happy to be here how are

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you man yeah I'm fairly well and I've

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just finished watching the documentary

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about an hour ago

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um so I've enjoyed it well for the

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second time the first time you watch it

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and the second time you take notes

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um for anyone who was expecting Mike

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Barra potentially to be joining us makes

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not been able to make it but we've got

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Darcy as I called you before we hit

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record The Genius behind the production

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so yeah no no blowing any more smoke no

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don't call me genius man more like a

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delinquent

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behind the production I'll cut out

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genius and I'll sound really rude um but

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listen Darcy lots to get to I asked out

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for listener questions for this quite

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late on in the last few days as well and

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and got a fair few in too so from people

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who have seen and not seen the

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documentary when did the idea for this

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particular piece first come about for

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yeah so I was actually already working

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on like this is part of a series

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um and I had done

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two other documentaries so I did uh

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secret space UFOs NASA's first missions

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which is like covering the X-15 Mission

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um missions which

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uh were a rocket based

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space plane that was mounted to the wing

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of a bomber modified uh bomber and the

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launched off that and flew into almost

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orbit you know just outside the Earth's

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so NASA's first missions covers X-15

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um Mercury and Gemini missions right

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uh these were considered the bridge to

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the moon the the missions that

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astronauts would test and practice just

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getting into space outside of the planet

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and revolving around the planet you know

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essentially had UFO sightings and uh

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like the X-15 Pilots literally said that

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UFOs by NASA and the Air Force even

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UFOs have always been a part of NASA and

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so I made that documentary I made uh

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secret space UFOs in the beginning with

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space historian that focused on trying

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to drill drill down and find all of

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these early space missions and

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this was the next film to make in the

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you know covering Apollo 1 20 211 and

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important because I brought I have

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of UFO secrecy right which is quite

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pertinent in the 60s

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and I have Mike Barra talking about

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his knowledge of

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um and you know he worked really closely

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with Richard C Hoagland who was a

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science correspondent for CBS and

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um very bright guy he's kind of

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disappeared recently but he was huge

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like 10 years ago he was

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in this UFO community in a big way

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um and then I've got James Fox who talks

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how he got close to Buzz Aldrin you know

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assistant and a bunch of other roles

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just doing stuff on set and when you

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work on sets you become close with

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actors sometimes if you've got a good

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personality and James Fox is obviously

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one of these people that

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can become friends with anybody he's

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just a good person and he became friends

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with Mickey Rooney uh eventually became

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friends with Faye and Potter

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who's the sister and really close friend

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of Buzz Aldrin I don't know if you have

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siblings but sometimes you're not close

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and Mickey Rooney both told James Fox

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that buzz he should talk to Buzz Aldrin

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and they eventually hooked him up he

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um had a meeting scheduled

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and you know in this story we just kind

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of cover how Buzz Aldrin ghosted him

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important because it you know shows that

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even early on during the Apollo missions

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and that PR campaign still is it goes on

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today you know it still is functioning

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you know basically is to cover up

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anything to do with UFOs that they

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disseminate information that they feel

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comfortable that the public should know

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version of everything to do with the

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moon to do with space and the planet

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there's so much history of them being in

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space and covering up the anomalies and

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overview of the documentary and

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obviously I'm not going to come on here

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want people to go and watch it and make

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up their own minds as well so we'll

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um NASA though what I was thinking as I

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um or they're involved in the UFO

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why go into this way back when in the

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why allow NASA to be so public with moon

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do and we'll get to how they kind of

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cover some of those things up but why

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War III it's crazy but um back then

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show their adversaries how powerful they

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on the moon and outside of our planet's

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atmosphere for sure this is propaganda

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um you know I've had arguments with flat

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earthers and all kinds of folks that

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don't believe we even went to the moon

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religion and and uh this

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cultism that exists on the planet trumps

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there's such a lack of trust in our

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institutions right now and NASA is

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guilty for that I think NASA should have

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trust of the public and people wouldn't

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you just do a little bit of research you

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realize that we went to the Moon

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Apollo 11 but we went around the Moon

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NASA ever explained that and it's like

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sure like there's radiation out there

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they figured it out and there's ways to

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propaganda against the United States

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which the American public has eaten up

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and that's why you have guys like flat

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um I think people will will see that

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one of the best bits of evidence I think

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that's threaded throughout the

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documentary are the the transcripts of

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what the astronauts say which were

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obviously marked confidential and some

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of the commentary from the astronauts as

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they are orbiting or as picked up by the

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black box which is on each of the the

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modules

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um and I just wonder why do you think

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that sort of evidence which for me is

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pretty high level stuff you know they're

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talking about do you see that down there

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can you hear that noise yeah wow look at

301
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that that's incredible and again within

302
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some of the transcripts describing

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objects describing structures

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why has that not caught the general

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Public's imagination more at the levels

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that would hold officials accountable

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for what seems to be

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um I don't think it's just I I think

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it's

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the fact is that a lot of that

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information has been pretty well

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censored

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um for example the the transcripts which

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all of that came off of a device called

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the DSE a the data storage uh equipment

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recorder

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um it's essentially a black box flight

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recorder and that's on all commercial

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flights right now you know if you're a

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civilian

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flying from you know

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Scotland to Italy

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there's a black box on every plane and

324
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they're designed so that they're pretty

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much indestructible so they recover the

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plane after its crashed let's say from

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the sea floor even they can

328
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see the Telemetry data they can see the

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conversations that were had by the

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pilots before it went down so they can

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understand

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what happened

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um so Apollo

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the Gemini missions uh even the Mercury

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missions all of these different capsules

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that flew in space had the same sort of

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Technology it was a little bit different

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during Gemini they called it the VTR

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but it was the same thing essentially

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especially when the pilots when the uh

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crew members first went around to the

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back side of the moon

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on Apollo 8

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um

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they started

346
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first of all for whatever reason they

347
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were out of radio contact with Capcom

348
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so they couldn't even communicate with

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them

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and

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that's where

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devices like the dsea came in really

353
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handy because when they came back to

354
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:24,899
Earth Capcom was able to go through all

355
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that data and be like okay this is you

356
00:16:32,329 --> 00:16:29,399
know this matches up with their

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debriefing data and pictures that were

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taken and all that type of stuff right

359
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um

360
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and actually starting from Apollo 8 is

361
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when they started noticing that there

362
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was almost like this music that played

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on the back side of the moon and we

364
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really hear about that again during

365
00:16:52,730 --> 00:16:51,180
Apollo 10.

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um

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I don't I don't understand

368
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I I'd say it's propaganda and it's also

369
00:17:02,629 --> 00:17:00,540
um

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00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:02,639
information control

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00:17:08,750 --> 00:17:05,280
that uh makes

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00:17:11,809 --> 00:17:08,760
the general public suffer from not

373
00:17:14,689 --> 00:17:11,819
knowing this information in in Greater

374
00:17:17,329 --> 00:17:14,699
detail right and

375
00:17:22,909 --> 00:17:20,030
it's NASA's fault

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00:17:25,850 --> 00:17:22,919
pretty much I mean those those

377
00:17:29,390 --> 00:17:25,860
transcripts were classified as well why

378
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would a civilian research agency if you

379
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really just a civilian research agency

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and you're not a military apparatus

381
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which is what they really are

382
00:17:41,390 --> 00:17:39,780
they work for the Air Force and the Navy

383
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um they're like

384
00:17:45,950 --> 00:17:44,039
the military's nerds you know what I

385
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:45,960
mean yeah

386
00:17:53,330 --> 00:17:50,690
if if you were just a civilian agency

387
00:17:55,970 --> 00:17:53,340
you would not classify data and those

388
00:17:59,930 --> 00:17:55,980
transcripts were classified for 12 years

389
00:18:01,010 --> 00:17:59,940
before they were released to the public

390
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:01,020
um

391
00:18:07,070 --> 00:18:03,120
we go over a bunch of

392
00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:07,080
the photo evidence and DAC motion

393
00:18:11,810 --> 00:18:10,200
picture uh footage that was shot during

394
00:18:15,409 --> 00:18:11,820
these missions

395
00:18:18,289 --> 00:18:15,419
and that was you know obviously

396
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:18,299
sanitized too sometimes they didn't

397
00:18:22,130 --> 00:18:20,400
catch everything and that's what we're

398
00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:22,140
trying to go over in the documentary

399
00:18:26,210 --> 00:18:25,440
like hey what's this what's that you

400
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:26,220
know

401
00:18:32,690 --> 00:18:29,760
and we try to provide the exact missions

402
00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:32,700
that either the footage was caught or

403
00:18:38,270 --> 00:18:35,520
the exact frame numbers that these uh

404
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:38,280
pictures were taken that seemed to show

405
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:40,080
anomalies

406
00:18:44,990 --> 00:18:42,720
let me say that is one thing I did like

407
00:18:47,390 --> 00:18:45,000
that and I wasn't sure what to expect

408
00:18:49,610 --> 00:18:47,400
going in that would the evidence be put

409
00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:49,620
in front of me and I'm being told this

410
00:18:53,630 --> 00:18:52,140
is what it is and largely the evidence

411
00:18:56,330 --> 00:18:53,640
is put out there and it's you know what

412
00:18:58,490 --> 00:18:56,340
could this be this should be there or

413
00:19:00,049 --> 00:18:58,500
this clearly isn't an artifact you know

414
00:19:02,029 --> 00:19:00,059
it's very much there's something here

415
00:19:03,950 --> 00:19:02,039
and it's make up your own mind for the

416
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,960
most part it's fair to say though

417
00:19:07,610 --> 00:19:05,520
there's a lot of space junk floating

418
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:07,620
about from years of humans exploring and

419
00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:09,360
littering in space and around the

420
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:11,460
atmosphere what are some of the best

421
00:19:15,890 --> 00:19:14,160
pieces of evidence for you Darcy that

422
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:15,900
you present in the documentary that you

423
00:19:20,930 --> 00:19:18,720
could say categorically this is not junk

424
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,940
and points to something far more exotic

425
00:19:24,890 --> 00:19:22,559
in origin is there anything for you that

426
00:19:26,330 --> 00:19:24,900
really stands out

427
00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:26,340
yeah

428
00:19:30,350 --> 00:19:27,480
um

429
00:19:32,930 --> 00:19:30,360
Mike Barra comes into the picture and

430
00:19:34,669 --> 00:19:32,940
starts talking pretty early on in the

431
00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:34,679
documentary and

432
00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:37,080
um I think Apollo 10 was where we

433
00:19:41,330 --> 00:19:40,020
started to recover all kinds of really

434
00:19:43,490 --> 00:19:41,340
strange

435
00:19:44,510 --> 00:19:43,500
photos that

436
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,520
um

437
00:19:49,610 --> 00:19:46,799
come from

438
00:19:52,010 --> 00:19:49,620
the back side of the moon or parts of

439
00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:52,020
the Moon that we just don't regularly

440
00:20:00,289 --> 00:19:56,460
see you know we only ever see one face

441
00:20:03,409 --> 00:20:01,190
um

442
00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:03,419
that's a that's a peculiar you know

443
00:20:07,070 --> 00:20:05,580
peculiar thing about the Moon is that it

444
00:20:10,930 --> 00:20:07,080
doesn't revolve

445
00:20:15,169 --> 00:20:10,940
on an axis like the Earth does it it

446
00:20:18,830 --> 00:20:15,179
simply stays facing our planet no matter

447
00:20:20,570 --> 00:20:18,840
where it goes around Earth one face is

448
00:20:21,950 --> 00:20:20,580
constantly being shown

449
00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:21,960
anyways

450
00:20:30,289 --> 00:20:25,260
um on Apollo 10 uh there's a frame

451
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,299
number called as10 32 48.

452
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:32,400
10

453
00:20:40,130 --> 00:20:34,320
um and you know whenever we look at

454
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,140
these photos if it says as8 or as10 it

455
00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:42,240
denotes the mission that it was on and

456
00:20:46,190 --> 00:20:43,620
then which

457
00:20:49,310 --> 00:20:46,200
frame number of photos that they took

458
00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:49,320
after that and um I really I think

459
00:20:55,010 --> 00:20:52,440
that's that photo stood out for me

460
00:20:57,950 --> 00:20:55,020
because

461
00:21:02,210 --> 00:20:57,960
it starts to show that there's strange

462
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:02,220
almost like scaffolding that was present

463
00:21:07,250 --> 00:21:05,039
above the lunar surface in the in the

464
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:07,260
sky

465
00:21:10,909 --> 00:21:08,400
um

466
00:21:13,970 --> 00:21:10,919
when

467
00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:13,980
you know photo analysts like Mike Barra

468
00:21:20,090 --> 00:21:17,460
or Kerry martinuke who I worked with on

469
00:21:21,650 --> 00:21:20,100
this documentary and other ones in the

470
00:21:24,529 --> 00:21:21,660
series

471
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,539
um do just simple things with Photoshop

472
00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:26,640
like color peaking or contrast

473
00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:29,820
adjustments you start to see

474
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,780
um structures that are present above the

475
00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:35,760
Moon and

476
00:21:40,610 --> 00:21:37,140
um

477
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,620
yeah I think this this

478
00:21:45,409 --> 00:21:42,960
it's a head scratcher some people I've

479
00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:45,419
talked to have watched

480
00:21:49,610 --> 00:21:47,400
um the film and they've been like you

481
00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:49,620
know I don't know if I agree 100 with

482
00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:53,100
Mike Barra on some of this stuff

483
00:21:58,250 --> 00:21:56,460
um but yeah that photo seems really

484
00:22:01,789 --> 00:21:58,260
interesting to me especially the one

485
00:22:04,010 --> 00:22:01,799
that shows almost what looks like uh

486
00:22:06,409 --> 00:22:04,020
there's a there's a part of the film

487
00:22:09,169 --> 00:22:06,419
where he breaks down that NASA

488
00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:09,179
essentially

489
00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:13,320
the astronauts had Hasselblad

490
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:17,940
um D not the slrs they had Hasselblad

491
00:22:26,210 --> 00:22:22,559
um analog photography cameras and

492
00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:26,220
on that they had What's called the Power

493
00:22:32,169 --> 00:22:29,880
Winder it's like a little gear that if

494
00:22:35,690 --> 00:22:32,179
you press the button it will take a

495
00:22:38,450 --> 00:22:35,700
successive sort of amount of photos like

496
00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:38,460
four or five or maybe even ten if you

497
00:22:42,049 --> 00:22:40,020
just kept your finger down on the

498
00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:42,059
shutter uh button

499
00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:43,740
and

500
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:47,220
um

501
00:22:54,770 --> 00:22:51,120
found a photo in the archive that was

502
00:22:58,909 --> 00:22:54,780
just completely black so the frame was

503
00:23:02,029 --> 00:22:58,919
apparently empty with data and when he

504
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:02,039
requested that photo from NASA he found

505
00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:04,860
that it wasn't actually

506
00:23:09,289 --> 00:23:07,260
excuse me it wasn't actually black it

507
00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:09,299
was actually a totally different photo

508
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,640
which was weird

509
00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:13,200
in itself

510
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:16,500
and then he found out that there was

511
00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:20,220
academic institutions universities that

512
00:23:25,970 --> 00:23:23,100
were all around the globe that had the

513
00:23:29,090 --> 00:23:25,980
same frame number that he was getting he

514
00:23:31,070 --> 00:23:29,100
was requesting that uh photo from their

515
00:23:33,049 --> 00:23:31,080
archives

516
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,059
that were completely different from this

517
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,480
blacked out photo that if you go now on

518
00:23:41,710 --> 00:23:39,120
the Apollo lunar surface Journal which

519
00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:41,720
is the official website for

520
00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:46,440
NASA Apollo Mission photography archive

521
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:47,100
um

522
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,500
just see a black frame

523
00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:55,440
but the universities from around the

524
00:24:00,289 --> 00:23:57,000
world they have a different photo

525
00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:00,299
because at the time NASA was handing out

526
00:24:05,330 --> 00:24:03,059
photos apparently like you know

527
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:05,340
candy they were just

528
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,159
making this information accessible to

529
00:24:12,529 --> 00:24:09,840
all

530
00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:12,539
um and their censorship program was a

531
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,700
little bit looser back then they didn't

532
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,799
think that people would be so Keen to

533
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:19,200
figure things out and and see strange

534
00:24:26,750 --> 00:24:24,649
um and anyways

535
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:26,760
essentially in the film what we break

536
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:30,000
down is this black frame that NASA has

537
00:24:36,169 --> 00:24:32,340
in their archive from the Apollo lures

538
00:24:38,690 --> 00:24:36,179
surface Journal apparently uh it's

539
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:38,700
different all around the world from

540
00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:41,520
different archives because it was shot

541
00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:43,620
with a Power Winder

542
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,380
and that means the astronauts were

543
00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:48,480
floating over the lunar surface they

544
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,460
held down the button on the camera it

545
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,039
took a succession of photos and each one

546
00:24:58,370 --> 00:24:55,440
of those photos is part of that one

547
00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:58,380
sequence so NASA was kind of lazy and

548
00:25:02,450 --> 00:24:59,940
they just put up the black one because

549
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,460
they don't want you to see anything that

550
00:25:06,289 --> 00:25:04,559
really was caught out there in space

551
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,299
that's weird

552
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:11,870
they

553
00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:14,700
kind of filter that data by only showing

554
00:25:20,330 --> 00:25:17,640
you know a bogus photo whereas in the

555
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:20,340
photos that Richard Hoagland and and

556
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,100
Mike Barra went over there's all this

557
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:25,919
structure and strange what looks like

558
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:29,460
almost bases on the lunar surface some

559
00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:33,059
of uh one of the Power Winder pitchers

560
00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:36,360
from that same series shows

561
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:39,000
what looks like a city on the lunar

562
00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:40,500
surface

563
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:41,340
um

564
00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:44,880
and and Mike refers to it as being

565
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:48,779
almost like the size of LA Los Angeles

566
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:52,620
um and in one of the sequences you see

567
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,679
what looks like lights emanating from

568
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:56,880
that

569
00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:01,440
city and then and then another sequence

570
00:26:06,110 --> 00:26:03,480
you see something that looks like almost

571
00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:06,120
like a tower that has

572
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:07,020
um

573
00:26:12,409 --> 00:26:10,860
like a dish or some kind of like

574
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,419
uh

575
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:15,120
I don't know it looks like a y-shaped

576
00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:16,980
structure

577
00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:19,260
I think that's really interesting stuff

578
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:21,299
and the fact that the public doesn't

579
00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:23,100
know about all that

580
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:25,020
um you know you

581
00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:28,440
not everybody reads but if you go read

582
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:29,340
um

583
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,520
dark Mission which is Richard Hoagland

584
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,559
and Mike barra's book

585
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:36,720
they look at a lot of those photos and

586
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:40,980
they break down where that came from and

587
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:44,159
um my film is trying to do some of that

588
00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:46,500
research you know a small amount

589
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:48,659
compared to what they cover in that

590
00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:52,080
whole book is trying to do some of that

591
00:26:57,769 --> 00:26:55,380
service you know try and show that to

592
00:27:00,529 --> 00:26:57,779
the public because we're a very visual

593
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:00,539
species you know we we want to learn

594
00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:04,140
through observation and my film is

595
00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:07,020
trying to demonstrate that

596
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,299
I'm glad you mentioned at the start of

597
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:11,279
that that it's something that a lot of

598
00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:12,900
people struggle with because it's one of

599
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:14,580
those moments that did make me sit back

600
00:27:19,549 --> 00:27:16,620
and go hmm

601
00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:19,559
because as such a stretch even with what

602
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,940
we're talking about and all the subjects

603
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:23,039
I talk about in the UFO and the UFO

604
00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:25,380
topic to then say we've got huge

605
00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:27,539
structures on the moon now these

606
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,919
structures are people sent in some

607
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:30,720
questions asking how could we see these

608
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,340
with telescopes from Earth that are now

609
00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:34,080
really powerful they're on the other

610
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,600
side like you mentioned so and again

611
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,000
yeah for the skeptic straight away

612
00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:40,799
they're oh yeah typically they're on the

613
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:43,080
other side so we can't see them but yeah

614
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:45,900
it also makes sense to say that is where

615
00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:48,360
you would build structures away from the

616
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:50,220
planet so it can't be seen because we

617
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:53,220
have this this body the celestial body

618
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,080
that just orbits from one side which is

619
00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:57,840
really frustrating so it really did make

620
00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:00,179
me think and I know people will look at

621
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:01,980
it and think is it paradolia where

622
00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:03,480
you're you're looking to see something

623
00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:06,059
that's maybe there or maybe not there it

624
00:28:09,950 --> 00:28:07,559
certainly looks like from the pictures

625
00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:09,960
that there is something which you can

626
00:28:15,049 --> 00:28:12,539
definitely see and I wonder if we go

627
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:15,059
with okay there are structures on the

628
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:17,700
moon and make bad and much aren't the

629
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:19,080
only people to say this this has been

630
00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:21,960
claimed by many many others as well I

631
00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:24,059
would ask you who do you think Darcy

632
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:26,520
have put those structures there are we

633
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,980
looking at secret human missions are we

634
00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:30,720
looking at ancient human civilizations

635
00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:32,700
or are we looking at something else

636
00:28:44,269 --> 00:28:41,149
I mean I I wouldn't

637
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:44,279
pretend to know for sure you know I I I

638
00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:47,340
I I speculate just like anybody else

639
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,059
but my logic leads me to believe that

640
00:28:57,010 --> 00:28:53,520
it's either

641
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:57,020
um an ancient civilization that's not us

642
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:00,559
I.E maybe extraterrestrial

643
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:04,740
or it is us and

644
00:29:11,450 --> 00:29:07,980
um it's a version of us that

645
00:29:12,769 --> 00:29:11,460
didn't survive a cataclysm you know it's

646
00:29:15,409 --> 00:29:12,779
possible that

647
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:15,419
Earth is kind of locked in this Doom

648
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,380
Loop

649
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:18,720
and every

650
00:29:24,409 --> 00:29:22,320
so many thousands of years the solar

651
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:24,419
system goes through a bit of a cataclysm

652
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,260
and everything gets reset and we start

653
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:30,000
over from scratch

654
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:34,020
and we lose our technology and that's

655
00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:35,159
where

656
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,380
you know we lose we have this sort of

657
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:39,120
like amnesia

658
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:41,399
and we forget where we came from and

659
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:43,740
what we had

660
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:46,980
um and I I mean it's entirely possible

661
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:49,020
if you are stuck in some kind of Doom

662
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:50,880
Loop where

663
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:52,679
you

664
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,220
lose all technology and and memory of

665
00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:59,039
the way things were

666
00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:01,380
um we could have been through this

667
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:03,899
technological cycle already

668
00:30:10,210 --> 00:30:08,340
you know we make things out of wood

669
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,220
and

670
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:12,960
we make things out of concrete too but

671
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:15,679
all that stuff can disappear after

672
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:19,260
erosion from thousands of years right

673
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:23,460
even metal just wears down to nothing

674
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:29,450
the moon might actually have structures

675
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:32,399
that are either from us from a a

676
00:30:37,730 --> 00:30:35,100
previous technologically advanced time

677
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:37,740
or they're from

678
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:40,020
uh you know possibly an extraterrestrial

679
00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:42,360
Society I don't know

680
00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:44,760
all equally fascinating things to

681
00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:46,260
speculate on though because they're all

682
00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:47,820
pretty interesting

683
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,039
um you're an experienced researcher and

684
00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:52,559
filmmaker and you must have seen

685
00:30:56,510 --> 00:30:54,899
thousands of hours of testimony over the

686
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,520
years whether it was you know watching

687
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:59,039
old interviewers speaking to to guests

688
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,320
was there anything that you learned in

689
00:31:05,389 --> 00:31:03,120
the making of This documentary that

690
00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:05,399
really blew your mind and was there

691
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:07,860
anything potentially you thought I want

692
00:31:18,409 --> 00:31:15,710
um

693
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:18,419
I tried to put in like everything that

694
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:21,299
pertained to Apollo 1 to 11.

695
00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:23,640
uh so I can't really think of anything

696
00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:26,580
that I missed

697
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,419
um

698
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:30,720
Mike Barra you know one thing that I

699
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:34,380
could say that he touches on in this

700
00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:37,919
documentary is that NASA seemed to at

701
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:41,520
the time have almost like a cult

702
00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:44,640
somebody uh going for a race outside

703
00:31:51,529 --> 00:31:47,580
your building right now or did you catch

704
00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:51,539
that yes I just flown by your Speed

705
00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:57,529
so uh

706
00:32:04,210 --> 00:32:00,779
yeah you know Mike Barra touches on the

707
00:32:07,510 --> 00:32:04,220
fact that uh Buzz Aldrin was a Freemason

708
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:07,520
we have that famous photo

709
00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:11,520
uh where he has a Freemason flag that he

710
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,500
planted on the lunar surface apparently

711
00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:15,360
that went up before the American flag

712
00:32:20,029 --> 00:32:18,059
but um

713
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:20,039
and and apparently it you know you can

714
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:24,419
watch an HBO series on the moon landing

715
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:26,039
missions that's all

716
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:29,880
a fictional reenactment but it's based

717
00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:31,020
on

718
00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:34,380
real reality of what something how some

719
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:37,620
things went down and apparently um Buzz

720
00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:40,500
Aldrin carried out a Freemason ritual

721
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:42,600
within the lunar capsule before they

722
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:45,720
even landed to concentrate

723
00:32:54,409 --> 00:32:50,880
um the moon as a free a masonic temple

724
00:32:57,409 --> 00:32:54,419
you know their property

725
00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:57,419
I didn't touch on all of that

726
00:33:01,789 --> 00:33:00,059
um I I only touched on some of it in in

727
00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:01,799
the film

728
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,240
um through

729
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:05,120
Mike Barra but

730
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:10,020
there's evidence that the

731
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:12,120
NASA

732
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:14,100
um the institution

733
00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:17,220
had all kinds of weird occult

734
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:19,980
cultism happening

735
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:21,899
at the time

736
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,320
um they had you know

737
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:26,960
ex-nazis from the project paper clip

738
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:31,080
program like Werner von Braun

739
00:33:37,009 --> 00:33:33,960
uh they came over from after World War

740
00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:37,019
II and if we didn't have Minds like

741
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:38,940
ferner Von Braun we never would have

742
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,100
even been able to land on the moon

743
00:33:47,289 --> 00:33:43,919
because they were perfecting the uh

744
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:47,299
liquid Rocket Fuel technology right

745
00:33:52,370 --> 00:33:50,820
then you have the Freemasons and then

746
00:33:55,610 --> 00:33:52,380
people talk about

747
00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:55,620
um how uh

748
00:34:01,970 --> 00:33:59,700
what's his name Alexander Crowley and

749
00:34:05,389 --> 00:34:01,980
um all of these sort of like strange

750
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:05,399
satanic guys were responsible for even

751
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:07,980
founding NASA

752
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,280
I didn't really cover all of that but I

753
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,159
think I'm gonna try and cover a bit of

754
00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:17,159
that in a future documentary

755
00:34:20,409 --> 00:34:17,820
um

756
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:20,419
just how there was all these like

757
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:24,060
strange esoteric Cults that were within

758
00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:27,540
NASA at the time and one of the things

759
00:34:32,329 --> 00:34:29,820
that

760
00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:32,339
um Mike Barra and Richard Hoagland break

761
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,839
down in their book dark mission is that

762
00:34:43,369 --> 00:34:37,919
um

763
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:43,379
the strangest Cult of them all was

764
00:34:56,450 --> 00:34:53,750
essentially a worship of Osiris

765
00:34:58,270 --> 00:34:56,460
in Osiris is a

766
00:35:01,870 --> 00:34:58,280
Egyptian god

767
00:35:06,589 --> 00:35:01,880
and this

768
00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:09,109
the the like

769
00:35:14,510 --> 00:35:11,700
strange

770
00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:14,520
um background to that worship

771
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:18,060
essentially boils down to

772
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:21,780
the NASA Space Program guys

773
00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:25,800
um worshiping a alien

774
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,440
race that essentially was like white

775
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:30,480
people

776
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:31,500
um

777
00:35:37,609 --> 00:35:34,440
like an advanced version of us that

778
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:37,619
we're from the Orion

779
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,260
um star system

780
00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:42,800
believe it or not

781
00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:45,660
uh so

782
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,339
I'd like to go into that I think it's

783
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:49,200
really weird

784
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,180
um but it's interesting

785
00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:52,800
I could see how that would have also

786
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:54,540
taking it away from the path that you

787
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:56,220
are trying to to weave throughout the

788
00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:58,200
documentary as well because it it does

789
00:36:02,270 --> 00:35:59,820
stay for all we're talking about an

790
00:36:04,609 --> 00:36:02,280
incredible idea it does stay incredibly

791
00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:04,619
grounded and I did enjoy how it was made

792
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:07,140
and the pacing of it as well sometimes

793
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:10,440
these documentaries for me can try to go

794
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,900
100 miles an hour and throw as much

795
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:14,880
sensationalism in there as possible to

796
00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:16,500
keep your flashing images on the screen

797
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:18,359
and it wasn't like that there was

798
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:20,460
context it was well paced it kept you

799
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:22,500
going with here's the background here's

800
00:36:25,490 --> 00:36:23,700
some of the information on the mission

801
00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:25,500
but here's what happened here's some

802
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:27,240
evidence and here's why we think this

803
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:28,740
and then it moved on A really lovely

804
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,500
pace and it did get me thinking quite a

805
00:36:35,170 --> 00:36:33,119
lot as it went along

806
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:35,180
and to bring it to maybe modern times

807
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,560
the question I'm going to ask you now

808
00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:39,599
with increasing capabilities and

809
00:36:44,569 --> 00:36:42,359
Technology getting better and with all

810
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:44,579
sorts of celebrities and the elite about

811
00:36:48,109 --> 00:36:46,440
to take off with commercial space flight

812
00:36:50,450 --> 00:36:48,119
on the horizon

813
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:50,460
is this going to usher in a potential

814
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:52,740
new age of sightings or a new age of

815
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,500
problems for organizations like NASA and

816
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:57,119
the US government potentially and I'm

817
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,400
thinking if Kanye West is up there with

818
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:01,680
an iPhone 16 Pro Max

819
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,720
he is going to get some good footage out

820
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:06,000
of the window of whichever craft he is

821
00:37:09,010 --> 00:37:07,920
on and is that something you've thought

822
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:09,020
about

823
00:37:14,569 --> 00:37:12,599
well if Kanye West was out in space I'd

824
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:14,579
just be worried he'd open the hatch and

825
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:16,440
kill himself because he's a loose cannon

826
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:17,940
that one

827
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:21,900
um yeah definitely I think

828
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:23,160
um

829
00:37:27,790 --> 00:37:26,220
that filter of keeping things from the

830
00:37:29,569 --> 00:37:27,800
public is

831
00:37:32,089 --> 00:37:29,579
slowly

832
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:32,099
breaking down

833
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:34,260
um I actually have another documentary

834
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,500
in this series coming out May 2nd so

835
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:39,839
hopefully I can get a copy of that to

836
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,359
you to review as well that's coming out

837
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:45,359
through 1091 films

838
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:48,780
um it's called secret space UFOs fast

839
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:51,900
Walkers and

840
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:54,720
um essentially what I try to cover is

841
00:37:59,530 --> 00:37:57,660
everything after the Apollo missions up

842
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,540
until now

843
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:01,200
and

844
00:38:05,170 --> 00:38:02,700
um you know

845
00:38:07,849 --> 00:38:05,180
because I think one of the major

846
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:07,859
comments from

847
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,700
um

848
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:11,280
you know Ned's that are watching my

849
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:13,380
films and and leaving comments is like

850
00:38:17,950 --> 00:38:16,200
why are you focusing on such old

851
00:38:19,849 --> 00:38:17,960
um

852
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,859
space-based history why aren't you

853
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:21,359
covering stuff that's happening now and

854
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,880
I'm like okay well I'm gonna do that and

855
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:25,920
the fast Walkers documentary does that

856
00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:29,099
pretty well we cover Skylab three which

857
00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:31,380
there was a prevalent UFO sighting

858
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:33,000
during that

859
00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:33,720
um

860
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:36,180
and that was the very first space

861
00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:37,200
station

862
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:39,900
that was before the ISS and it was a

863
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:43,380
military space station believe it or not

864
00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:48,060
um and then we go right through to the

865
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:49,800
STS missions

866
00:38:55,390 --> 00:38:52,260
which you know are the shuttle missions

867
00:38:58,849 --> 00:38:55,400
that include Challenger Endeavor

868
00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:58,859
Discovery Atlantis

869
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:00,839
um all of these

870
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:03,660
reusable space shuttles that were

871
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:07,020
launching us into orbit while we were

872
00:39:12,349 --> 00:39:09,900
building the ISS the International Space

873
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,359
Station which is now defunct because

874
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:15,359
we're about to step into a World War

875
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:16,020
um

876
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,359
and you can't really play nice with the

877
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:21,119
Russians in space and and cohabitate a

878
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,920
space station with them if you're at

879
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:25,200
odds with them

880
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,700
um I actually found that pretty

881
00:39:33,470 --> 00:39:29,520
interesting that you know uh Russia

882
00:39:35,569 --> 00:39:33,480
invaded Ukraine two weeks before the

883
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:35,579
United States announced that they're no

884
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:37,490
longer going to

885
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:37,740
[Music]

886
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:38,720
um

887
00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:42,420
upkeep the ISS and do a Cooperative

888
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:44,460
program with the Russians I knew

889
00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:46,260
something was going to happen as soon as

890
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,260
I read that in the news I was like

891
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:52,320
what's happening here but

892
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,260
um in that documentary the reason why

893
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:57,119
it's called Fast Walkers if people don't

894
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:00,960
really know what that is uh fast Walkers

895
00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:03,300
is a code name that the air force made

896
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:07,619
and it was uh famously sort of brought

897
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:10,440
about through documentation through John

898
00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:12,359
Greenwald

899
00:40:20,089 --> 00:40:14,579
he did a Freedom of Information Act

900
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,099
request about on UFOs fast Walkers uh

901
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:23,040
from NORAD and norad's been all over the

902
00:40:28,849 --> 00:40:26,280
news recently because NORAD detected

903
00:40:30,770 --> 00:40:28,859
those balloons that were floating over

904
00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:30,780
North America that the United States

905
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:33,060
scrambled to shoot down

906
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:34,200
um

907
00:40:41,290 --> 00:40:37,680
and NORAD is the North American uh

908
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:41,300
command it's basically a airspace

909
00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:45,000
protection agreement between Canada the

910
00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:46,980
United States Mexico

911
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:48,359
so

912
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:50,460
when John Greenwald requested those

913
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:54,180
documents we found out that NORAD Tracks

914
00:41:03,050 --> 00:40:57,839
fast Walkers and what is that

915
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:03,060
um those are space based UFOs

916
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,560
plain and simple

917
00:41:10,310 --> 00:41:07,680
they are unidentified flying objects

918
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:10,320
that are acting erratic that are

919
00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:13,260
breaking the laws of physics that are

920
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:22,190
um and in that documentary we cover this

921
00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:25,140
sort of chronology of

922
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:27,540
space-based UFOs dropping into the

923
00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:28,560
atmosphere

924
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:32,700
back from the 70s and then we cover all

925
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:36,060
of these STS Mission anomaly footage you

926
00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:38,700
know uh cameras that are

927
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:40,920
placed on

928
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:42,540
the

929
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:44,460
shuttles

930
00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:46,740
and then also being shot through the

931
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,380
windows on the ISS and the shuttles by

932
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:51,359
the astronauts

933
00:41:55,849 --> 00:41:53,220
um that's that's like

934
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:55,859
you know your question

935
00:42:00,370 --> 00:41:59,460
is very relevant because

936
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:00,380
um

937
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,260
NASA has been censoring that footage and

938
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:06,720
those photos as well

939
00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:11,160
you know recent space history research

940
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:13,140
has been heavily censored and

941
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,540
propagandized

942
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:16,880
so to speak

943
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,339
and um

944
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:23,280
it'll never stop in my opinion if you

945
00:42:27,650 --> 00:42:24,420
look at

946
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:27,660
what they do in the documentary I kind

947
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,320
of uh am breaking down that what they do

948
00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:33,119
is they follow some kind of strange

949
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:35,579
protocol whenever something anomalous

950
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:38,280
shows up on a space-based camera

951
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:41,640
they either do one of four things

952
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:44,099
they either cut the camera

953
00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:45,540
completely

954
00:42:51,650 --> 00:42:48,839
to like static or black Blackness to

955
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:51,660
yeah you know not show the anomaly in

956
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:52,859
space

957
00:42:57,890 --> 00:42:55,560
they changed the camera Direction so

958
00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:57,900
they'll start panning away

959
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:01,740
or they will add

960
00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:03,000
um

961
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:08,339
some kind of filter and obscuration like

962
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:11,700
they'll obscure the video footage or the

963
00:43:16,690 --> 00:43:14,880
image in some way

964
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:16,700
um

965
00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:19,920
digitally or physically believe or not

966
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:22,440
so I think they have

967
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:23,640
um

968
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:27,480
a researcher named Jeffrey Challenger

969
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,900
who's now passed away but was a

970
00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:33,359
physically disabled man that took great

971
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:36,420
interest in the STS missions he recorded

972
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:39,960
all that NASA downlink footage and then

973
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,420
would go through that footage and look

974
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,160
for strange things that were going on

975
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:46,680
and he noticed that NASA had the ability

976
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:49,859
to add digital noise to the footage

977
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:53,280
and he also figured out through you know

978
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,260
because there was a cooperation with

979
00:44:00,170 --> 00:43:57,599
Russia

980
00:44:02,210 --> 00:44:00,180
um especially for the ISS

981
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:02,220
whenever Russia was sending up like the

982
00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:06,119
soyuz capsules uh to dock with the ISS

983
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,980
and such

984
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:10,319
um they would talk about the things that

985
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:11,760
they were doing and they would be

986
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:14,579
communicating with NASA right that's how

987
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:17,880
close the interaction was between the

988
00:44:24,170 --> 00:44:20,280
two space agencies the Russian space

989
00:44:26,569 --> 00:44:24,180
agency and the American space agency

990
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:26,579
and Jeffrey Challenger figured out that

991
00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:32,760
they actually have a 22nd video delay

992
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:37,020
so NASA has also ins instilled uh this

993
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,420
ability to

994
00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:42,480
have 20 seconds to quickly change

995
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:44,700
something in the heat

996
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:47,400
and um all of this is operated from

997
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,040
Ground Control by a a person called

998
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:52,319
okota

999
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:53,099
um

1000
00:44:58,849 --> 00:44:56,040
can't exactly remember what that stands

1001
00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:58,859
for but basically it's like a an

1002
00:45:04,790 --> 00:44:59,819
operator

1003
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:04,800
that sits in in Houston looking at

1004
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:07,680
a screen of what the cameras are doing

1005
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:09,480
and they can switch to different cameras

1006
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:12,540
and and they can add digital noise they

1007
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,079
can cut all kinds of stuff so

1008
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,270
if you look at that behavior

1009
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:25,790
um that's been going on in recent space

1010
00:45:30,589 --> 00:45:29,520
history with commercial and Private

1011
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:30,599
Industry

1012
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,079
if you look at the SpaceX footage they

1013
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,900
do the exact same thing you can go on

1014
00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:39,119
YouTube and you can look up like SpaceX

1015
00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:42,599
UFO footage or something right I implore

1016
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:44,760
people to do that and they'll see the

1017
00:45:50,089 --> 00:45:47,599
same behavior being carried out by their

1018
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:50,099
technicians it seems like they will cut

1019
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:51,180
the camera

1020
00:45:57,770 --> 00:45:55,079
they will change camera Direction uh or

1021
00:46:00,050 --> 00:45:57,780
or cut the feed completely

1022
00:46:01,309 --> 00:46:00,060
um whenever these strange things are

1023
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,319
showing up on

1024
00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:03,119
the video feed

1025
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:06,420
so I think and and you know uh SpaceX

1026
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,560
actually has a contract with the

1027
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,480
Pentagon

1028
00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:14,400
so I think they would be read into

1029
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:15,960
certain things and they would have to

1030
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:19,500
follow certain protocols when it comes

1031
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:21,900
to space-based information being

1032
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:24,180
disseminated to the public

1033
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:26,220
well that fast Walkers documentary

1034
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,900
sounds right up my street so I'll try

1035
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:29,040
and get a copy of that from you

1036
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:33,300
afterwards um yeah Chrissy Newton yeah

1037
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:35,460
brilliant I'll drop it'll send it to you

1038
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:37,260
yeah thank you

1039
00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:38,819
um and you mentioned at the start there

1040
00:46:44,089 --> 00:46:41,700
the the kind of naysayers or folks who

1041
00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:44,099
maybe don't like you looking at the

1042
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:46,619
older historical aspect of the UFO topic

1043
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:48,900
people can forget this is such a big

1044
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:51,000
conversation it does go back a long time

1045
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,160
some people listen to parts of this

1046
00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:54,720
podcast and I know a lot of folks are

1047
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:56,280
picking Tuesday interviews the lesson

1048
00:46:59,870 --> 00:46:58,260
two based on what they like in the

1049
00:47:01,849 --> 00:46:59,880
subject not everyone listens to

1050
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:01,859
everything thank you if you do but I'm

1051
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:03,420
the same when I listen to podcasts as

1052
00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:04,560
well normally

1053
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,079
I think with the UFO topic it is

1054
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:08,880
important though to look back because it

1055
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:10,440
gives us a lot of the questions and

1056
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:12,060
maybe even some of the potential answers

1057
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,839
for things to come and I want to know as

1058
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:17,760
we we sit now we're recording this on

1059
00:47:25,849 --> 00:47:19,740
the 13th of April

1060
00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:28,550
100 we've got those UFO hearings on the

1061
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:31,800
horizon in the US and I wonder though

1062
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:33,960
this is another thing that made me think

1063
00:47:38,510 --> 00:47:36,060
watching the documentary what do you

1064
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:38,520
think Darcy the impact would be if if it

1065
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:40,560
was confirmed for decades the U.S had

1066
00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:43,140
technology far beyond the basic Rockets

1067
00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:45,720
of NASA and those early Apollo and

1068
00:47:51,170 --> 00:47:48,599
Gemini missions that at times came at

1069
00:47:53,089 --> 00:47:51,180
the price of the lives of astronauts if

1070
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,099
the public in the US particularly found

1071
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,960
out that they had anti-gravity

1072
00:47:58,430 --> 00:47:56,880
technology reverse engineered technology

1073
00:48:00,829 --> 00:47:58,440
they were going back and forward to

1074
00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:00,839
space yet at the same time they were

1075
00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:03,300
sending up military personnel veterans

1076
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:06,359
mothers fathers Aunts Uncles

1077
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:09,240
you know brothers and sisters to die or

1078
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,460
in the name of a big show

1079
00:48:17,690 --> 00:48:13,680
what are the reactions of the public

1080
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:17,700
effing when that information comes out

1081
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,119
I think the masses will not react

1082
00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:23,280
because they'll be watching a Kardashian

1083
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:25,260
show or

1084
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:28,380
um you know Kanye West

1085
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:31,560
um doing something crazy but I think the

1086
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:34,440
UFO Community will be pretty outraged

1087
00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:36,180
right

1088
00:48:43,609 --> 00:48:41,390
I think that

1089
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:43,619
it won't really matter because it's like

1090
00:48:48,609 --> 00:48:45,960
the information control is just so

1091
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:51,710
propagandized right now that

1092
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:52,500
um

1093
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,359
I mean if you even look at the UFO

1094
00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:56,160
Community everybody's fighting with each

1095
00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:58,500
other everybody's calling everybody's

1096
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:01,260
calling everybody a grifter it's so

1097
00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:04,140
freaking annoying right

1098
00:49:10,970 --> 00:49:06,180
excuse me I've got a bit of a cold but

1099
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:10,980
awesome yeah like it's

1100
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:13,319
when I first started getting into this

1101
00:49:20,829 --> 00:49:17,160
stuff the UFO Community was like mostly

1102
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,839
welcoming to everybody and now it's like

1103
00:49:25,849 --> 00:49:23,520
vitriol is being tossed back and forth

1104
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:25,859
and people are fighting amongst amongst

1105
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:27,240
each other and you've got these like

1106
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:31,680
almost UFO cult leaders that are super

1107
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:35,460
powerful and they're trying to debunk

1108
00:49:42,530 --> 00:49:38,940
other people doing good work in the

1109
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:42,540
field bringing forward new information

1110
00:49:47,089 --> 00:49:43,500
um

1111
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:47,099
I think that's actually

1112
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:49,380
in the best interests of the

1113
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,660
intelligence agencies for this type of

1114
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:54,000
fighting to infighting to be going on

1115
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:57,420
because if a normal person comes across

1116
00:50:02,569 --> 00:50:00,420
this information somebody who's just

1117
00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:02,579
used to watching sports and celebrities

1118
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:06,060
sort of uh stuff on TV and they go what

1119
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:09,720
there's UFO hearings on April 19th

1120
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,240
um what the government is admitting that

1121
00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:15,119
there's were possibly not alone in the

1122
00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:17,640
universe yada yada

1123
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:19,380
and they start to look into this well

1124
00:50:23,569 --> 00:50:21,480
they're going to come across the cult

1125
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:23,579
leaders

1126
00:50:32,809 --> 00:50:29,160
fighting amongst each other and uh being

1127
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,819
naysayers and debunking the New Kids on

1128
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,800
the Block trying to get good information

1129
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:36,960
out there

1130
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:38,460
um they're going to hear about this

1131
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:40,980
theory that there's going to be a fake

1132
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,740
alien invasion in the future and all

1133
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:45,000
this stuff and they're going to be

1134
00:50:50,270 --> 00:50:46,920
turned off right away and they're going

1135
00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:50,280
to be like these people are crazy

1136
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:54,540
so it's actually in the best interest of

1137
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:57,540
the intelligence agencies for the

1138
00:51:02,089 --> 00:50:59,819
community to be that dysfunctional and

1139
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:02,099
for this information to come out the way

1140
00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:03,900
it is

1141
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,700
um

1142
00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:07,440
and I think that's really unfortunate

1143
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:10,920
and and uh I don't think

1144
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:15,119
we're gonna get some kind of uh

1145
00:51:27,770 --> 00:51:25,130
good you know in terms of the UFO

1146
00:51:30,650 --> 00:51:27,780
um information that's coming out I think

1147
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:30,660
only the UFO Community is going to react

1148
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,809
it's not like

1149
00:51:43,069 --> 00:51:41,280
whatever comes out on April 19th is

1150
00:51:44,990 --> 00:51:43,079
going to be the tip of the iceberg you

1151
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:45,000
know it you and I have been probably

1152
00:51:49,309 --> 00:51:47,640
researching this for long enough that we

1153
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,319
know a lot of different things that have

1154
00:51:54,829 --> 00:51:52,020
been happening throughout history with

1155
00:51:58,430 --> 00:51:54,839
regard to this regards to this issue

1156
00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:58,440
that's very important right yeah

1157
00:52:02,030 --> 00:51:59,819
but

1158
00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:04,250
you're gonna have a huge Camp of people

1159
00:52:12,490 --> 00:52:08,099
in the UFO Community accusing April 19th

1160
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:12,500
of just being propaganda of being uh

1161
00:52:17,870 --> 00:52:16,260
disclosure that's a farce and you're

1162
00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:17,880
also going to have

1163
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:20,940
um people saying that it's nothing

1164
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:24,839
Burger I hate that freaking term and you

1165
00:52:30,410 --> 00:52:27,359
know all kinds of like negative stuff

1166
00:52:32,450 --> 00:52:30,420
and to me uh

1167
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:32,460
these Congressional hearings are really

1168
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:35,400
important they're really impactful to me

1169
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,140
because it's like

1170
00:52:43,069 --> 00:52:40,079
we've been living this real this like

1171
00:52:47,770 --> 00:52:43,079
sort of subculture reality investigating

1172
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:47,780
this strange UFO history for so long

1173
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:50,640
and it's vindicating that this is

1174
00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:52,380
actually happening in the public eye now

1175
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:57,059
through the Congress right yep

1176
00:53:01,130 --> 00:52:59,460
um yeah that's my theory that's my

1177
00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:01,140
thoughts on

1178
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:03,180
how the Public's gonna react

1179
00:53:07,849 --> 00:53:05,460
I can't I can't massively disagree with

1180
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:07,859
with much or any of that to be honest RC

1181
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:09,480
I've said on the podcast before for

1182
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,460
folks who may have heard

1183
00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:13,920
um do you know what was on last year at

1184
00:53:17,710 --> 00:53:16,200
the same time as the first set of UFO

1185
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:17,720
hearings so I was in the kitchen

1186
00:53:23,809 --> 00:53:20,640
watching it live on YouTube and I think

1187
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:23,819
it started about 2PM UK time last year

1188
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:25,260
um and my wife was in the sitting room

1189
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:27,420
watching TV and do you know what else

1190
00:53:31,630 --> 00:53:28,740
was on at the same time when you

1191
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:31,640
mentioned the Kardashians

1192
00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:36,359
uh was that like Kanye going crazy with

1193
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:40,980
the like Nazi like racist no it was the

1194
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:43,140
medal of the dip Amber Heard trial it

1195
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:44,339
was getting towards the end of the

1196
00:53:50,089 --> 00:53:47,460
Johnny Test yeah I loved it too I was

1197
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:50,099
watching you know watching that that was

1198
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,200
something for that as well yeah but but

1199
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,760
there was a difference I was in one room

1200
00:53:58,329 --> 00:53:55,920
watching a YouTube stream with I think

1201
00:54:02,089 --> 00:53:58,339
10 000 people on a YouTube stream

1202
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:02,099
whereas many more Millions were watching

1203
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:03,599
the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial

1204
00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:05,160
and you're like something pretty

1205
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:06,780
historic pretty Incredible's happening

1206
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:09,119
here but look over here at this shiny

1207
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:11,460
thing in this hand and yeah it's so I

1208
00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:13,380
can't disagree that the the general

1209
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,500
populace and that's what I see a lot of

1210
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:18,720
the influencers or some of the names and

1211
00:54:22,370 --> 00:54:20,760
I respect many of them other ones I

1212
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:22,380
disagree with and I disagree with a lot

1213
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:23,520
of people I think you've got to be an

1214
00:54:28,130 --> 00:54:26,520
adult in 2023 and be able to talk and

1215
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:28,140
have a reason the conversation with

1216
00:54:31,549 --> 00:54:30,180
someone you disagree with and both come

1217
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:31,559
away from it learning something and go

1218
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:32,940
yeah but you know what maybe you'll be

1219
00:54:36,650 --> 00:54:34,440
right maybe I'll be right maybe we'll

1220
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,660
both be wrong who knows but have that

1221
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,400
conversation and it people would be so

1222
00:54:41,690 --> 00:54:40,079
much better off for it it's a lost art

1223
00:54:43,549 --> 00:54:41,700
being able to speak to someone you

1224
00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:43,559
disagree with and have be an adult about

1225
00:54:49,069 --> 00:54:46,500
it yeah but that's that's something that

1226
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,079
is way way lost and for anyone who

1227
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,599
these things happen so rare these days I

1228
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:53,760
watched two people not that I agree or

1229
00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:55,140
disagree with neither of them on a lot

1230
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:57,000
of things but I just happened to catch a

1231
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,800
clip of another podcast a few days ago

1232
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:01,440
and Ben Shapiro who I don't know too

1233
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,700
much about the guy but he'll be well

1234
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:04,079
known to American listeners definitely

1235
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,380
and Russell Russell Brand to very

1236
00:55:12,049 --> 00:55:09,359
different people and that's what I could

1237
00:55:14,089 --> 00:55:12,059
very good for people very and I have

1238
00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:14,099
caught my attention Heroes like as far

1239
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:16,260
right in the United States as he can go

1240
00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:18,780
yeah and uh the two of them it caught my

1241
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,980
attention like an eight minute video

1242
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:21,599
clip I think it was on Facebook or

1243
00:55:25,490 --> 00:55:23,640
Instagram and they were both talking

1244
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:25,500
about their differing views but it was

1245
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:26,940
really interesting to see two people

1246
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:28,740
sitting being adults with different

1247
00:55:33,170 --> 00:55:31,380
viewers just having a conversation and I

1248
00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:33,180
think you can learn a lot from from that

1249
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,400
type of type of scenario and situation

1250
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:37,920
and taking me back to the UFO cult

1251
00:55:42,349 --> 00:55:40,380
leaders influencers there's a lot of

1252
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:42,359
claims made you know a lot of things and

1253
00:55:46,370 --> 00:55:44,220
Anonymous sources things get pushed back

1254
00:55:48,049 --> 00:55:46,380
and yada yada yada whether it's

1255
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:48,059
information whether it's entertainment

1256
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,800
whether it's infotainment and all of the

1257
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:51,839
above people are looking for is a huge

1258
00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:52,980
subject and there's room for everyone

1259
00:55:58,690 --> 00:55:55,800
and it's an interesting time so whatever

1260
00:56:01,609 --> 00:55:58,700
happens on 19th of April you know

1261
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:01,619
we're gonna have people disagreeing and

1262
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:03,480
not talking with each other in the UFO

1263
00:56:08,089 --> 00:56:05,640
Community it would be wonderful to have

1264
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,099
blue Elizondo and Stephen Greer talk to

1265
00:56:12,790 --> 00:56:10,160
each other

1266
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:12,800
wouldn't it be a really interesting

1267
00:56:19,010 --> 00:56:16,200
conversation if we had that on a stream

1268
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:19,020
where people were not

1269
00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:22,140
finger pointing and claiming each other

1270
00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:23,460
or fraud

1271
00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:25,260
yeah set them down either side of Joe

1272
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:27,540
Rogan and have them just talk just yeah

1273
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:31,680
yeah and we both know that like

1274
00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:35,520
Joe Rogan's kind of like the biggest

1275
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:38,760
influencer in the world right now

1276
00:56:43,549 --> 00:56:40,740
and if he had

1277
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,559
these two guys who are massive in the

1278
00:56:48,170 --> 00:56:45,359
UFO community and people fighting over

1279
00:56:51,650 --> 00:56:48,180
their authenticity

1280
00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:51,660
um being adults and just having a normal

1281
00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:53,339
conversation

1282
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:55,140
uh but I don't think we'll see that

1283
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:57,000
because

1284
00:57:02,990 --> 00:56:58,640
um unfortunately

1285
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:03,000
there's too much too much

1286
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,650
basically be lost like I obviously

1287
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:14,880
appreciate Stephen Greer for the things

1288
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:17,099
he's done in the past

1289
00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:20,040
um and I really appreciate blue Elizondo

1290
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:22,619
as well for the things he's doing now

1291
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:24,180
but

1292
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,020
um

1293
00:57:30,370 --> 00:57:27,839
you get people that are in like two

1294
00:57:34,010 --> 00:57:30,380
different camps you know that they they

1295
00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:34,020
earn these Echo chamber of the Greer

1296
00:57:42,109 --> 00:57:37,020
stuff or they're in the Echo chamber of

1297
00:57:43,730 --> 00:57:42,119
the loose stuff and for somebody to

1298
00:57:47,210 --> 00:57:43,740
kind of be in the middle and listen to

1299
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:47,220
both is I think important

1300
00:57:50,030 --> 00:57:48,720
absolutely

1301
00:57:52,609 --> 00:57:50,040
um one more question I want to get to

1302
00:57:55,609 --> 00:57:52,619
before we ask some listener questions

1303
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,619
um you mentioned NASA on recent times

1304
00:58:00,650 --> 00:57:57,599
and the Congressional hearings coming up

1305
00:58:02,809 --> 00:58:00,660
NASA has its own independent study about

1306
00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:02,819
Iran in the next kind of six to eight

1307
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,500
weeks I'm led to believe speaking to

1308
00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:06,720
someone who's on the study

1309
00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:09,900
um do you think NASA can still fit into

1310
00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:12,900
the UFO conversation at all in an

1311
00:58:17,390 --> 00:58:15,480
unbiased way do you think this study is

1312
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:17,400
going to give us anything to sink our

1313
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,619
teeth into

1314
00:58:23,170 --> 00:58:21,119
I don't know

1315
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:23,180
I mean I I I I

1316
00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:26,339
through past behavior that I'm

1317
00:58:30,049 --> 00:58:28,440
documenting

1318
00:58:32,329 --> 00:58:30,059
um

1319
00:58:34,730 --> 00:58:32,339
I I don't think they could

1320
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:34,740
why would they change

1321
00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:38,160
they would have to go back and admit

1322
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,180
that

1323
00:58:44,569 --> 00:58:41,839
they've done some wrongdoing they've

1324
00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:44,579
been part of the UFO cover-up in order

1325
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:45,660
to

1326
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:48,960
buy the trust of the UFO Community for

1327
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,780
example but

1328
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:53,760
I don't think they're interested in us I

1329
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:55,140
think they're only interested in the

1330
00:58:59,450 --> 00:58:56,819
masses they're interested in the folks

1331
00:59:02,690 --> 00:58:59,460
that are uh

1332
00:59:05,450 --> 00:59:02,700
part of you know subscribing to the

1333
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,460
bread and Circus the distractions that

1334
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,920
are keeping us you know dumbed down as a

1335
00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:09,839
society

1336
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,359
and and I think that

1337
00:59:17,690 --> 00:59:15,359
um they're part of this disclosure

1338
00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:17,700
that's happening right now and they have

1339
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:19,500
to be because there are scientific

1340
00:59:26,109 --> 00:59:22,799
Authority in North America so if they

1341
00:59:31,849 --> 00:59:26,119
come out with some kind of UAP UFO

1342
00:59:34,130 --> 00:59:31,859
data that looks authentic then it makes

1343
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:34,140
it more serious and you again get the

1344
00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:36,599
Regular Joe you know

1345
00:59:40,910 --> 00:59:39,420
dropping their bag of chips while

1346
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,920
they're watching football because they

1347
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,480
just read a headline that NASA is

1348
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:45,119
admitting that there's authentic

1349
00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:50,640
UFO or UAP sightings and information

1350
00:59:55,970 --> 00:59:52,260
but you know

1351
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,980
um axios the news agency right that

1352
00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:57,119
that's

1353
01:00:00,049 --> 00:59:57,780
um

1354
01:00:05,150 --> 01:00:00,059
they're pretty top-notch

1355
01:00:07,089 --> 01:00:05,160
they recently did an interview with uh

1356
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:07,099
what's the NASA administrator's name

1357
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:10,380
Nelson Bill Nelson Bill Nelson

1358
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:11,700
sorry

1359
01:00:17,210 --> 01:00:14,760
um so Bill Nelson

1360
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:17,220
quite openly states that we're going to

1361
01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:18,960
have that information coming out like

1362
01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:21,180
you're saying five to eight weeks in the

1363
01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:22,920
middle of the summer uh the beginning of

1364
01:00:26,089 --> 01:00:23,880
the summer

1365
01:00:28,910 --> 01:00:26,099
I think in June

1366
01:00:31,849 --> 01:00:28,920
um and

1367
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,859
they're focusing on

1368
01:00:36,890 --> 01:00:33,359
what's what's really interesting I've

1369
01:00:42,490 --> 01:00:39,049
Avi lope who's the head of project

1370
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:42,500
Galileo which is a private

1371
01:00:49,970 --> 01:00:46,559
research group to try and detect UAP and

1372
01:00:52,010 --> 01:00:49,980
UFOs with new tracking systems that are

1373
01:00:53,329 --> 01:00:52,020
earth-based right

1374
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:53,339
middle

1375
01:00:57,530 --> 01:00:55,079
and

1376
01:00:59,809 --> 01:00:57,540
he got a certain amount of millions

1377
01:01:02,089 --> 01:00:59,819
millions of dollars but

1378
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:02,099
if you watch the fast Walker documentary

1379
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:06,319
you'll realize that we've had satellite

1380
01:01:13,250 --> 01:01:08,480
based detection

1381
01:01:15,289 --> 01:01:13,260
instrumentation and earth-based uh

1382
01:01:18,170 --> 01:01:15,299
radio telescopes and stuff like that

1383
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:18,180
that have been detecting anomalies for

1384
01:01:21,609 --> 01:01:20,579
many many many many years for decades

1385
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:21,619
right

1386
01:01:32,329 --> 01:01:30,109
a slow Walker for example is a satellite

1387
01:01:34,910 --> 01:01:32,339
right it's something that we we can

1388
01:01:38,690 --> 01:01:34,920
detect and it's just gradually drifting

1389
01:01:40,670 --> 01:01:38,700
through the sky through space a fast

1390
01:01:43,010 --> 01:01:40,680
Walker is something that's anomalously

1391
01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:43,020
jumping around entering the atmosphere

1392
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:45,180
jumping out whatever

1393
01:01:49,970 --> 01:01:47,940
and uh

1394
01:01:52,670 --> 01:01:49,980
essentially

1395
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:52,680
you're looking at

1396
01:01:58,730 --> 01:01:56,400
Bill Nelson in this axios interview

1397
01:02:02,510 --> 01:01:58,740
saying that they're going to be coming

1398
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:02,520
out with data and what NASA's goal is to

1399
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:05,640
unify some of their detection

1400
01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:08,940
uh space instrumentation

1401
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:11,700
both on the planet and off planet

1402
01:02:17,390 --> 01:02:14,640
to look for UFO activity

1403
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:17,400
so they're essentially going to be doing

1404
01:02:22,430 --> 01:02:19,140
they're admitting that they're doing

1405
01:02:26,410 --> 01:02:22,440
what project Galileo is doing

1406
01:02:29,930 --> 01:02:26,420
but with their own you know vast network

1407
01:02:33,710 --> 01:02:29,940
of research and instrumentation that

1408
01:02:34,970 --> 01:02:33,720
they've owned for many many years now

1409
01:02:37,010 --> 01:02:34,980
um

1410
01:02:38,030 --> 01:02:37,020
and the other piece to that puzzle is

1411
01:02:41,809 --> 01:02:38,040
that

1412
01:02:43,490 --> 01:02:41,819
the defense agencies have all kinds of

1413
01:02:44,569 --> 01:02:43,500
instrumentation that's out there in

1414
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:44,579
space

1415
01:02:50,329 --> 01:02:47,760
you know and on the planet NORAD for

1416
01:02:53,089 --> 01:02:50,339
example have have had

1417
01:02:56,030 --> 01:02:53,099
uh telescopes and radio telescopes and

1418
01:02:58,250 --> 01:02:56,040
radar systems and all that

1419
01:03:01,309 --> 01:02:58,260
um that look into space

1420
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:01,319
and all of that information

1421
01:03:06,770 --> 01:03:04,559
is completely classified you you know

1422
01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:06,780
the public is not supposed to see that

1423
01:03:12,650 --> 01:03:09,420
information because it's in the

1424
01:03:16,670 --> 01:03:12,660
interests of the American Military to

1425
01:03:22,849 --> 01:03:20,210
I think it would be interesting if NASA

1426
01:03:25,609 --> 01:03:22,859
starts cooperating with uh the military

1427
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:25,619
publicly and says we're going to be

1428
01:03:29,809 --> 01:03:28,260
looking at some of their their

1429
01:03:32,210 --> 01:03:29,819
instrumentation

1430
01:03:35,150 --> 01:03:32,220
as well

1431
01:03:39,230 --> 01:03:35,160
I fear it might make project Galileo a

1432
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:40,430
you know all these different

1433
01:03:46,849 --> 01:03:43,260
organizations Galileo project uh we've

1434
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,859
got uapx there are uh you know the NASA

1435
01:03:50,089 --> 01:03:48,720
instrumentation that they have got and

1436
01:03:52,130 --> 01:03:50,099
anything else that's out there at the

1437
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,140
moment is a bit like John Paul George

1438
01:03:56,750 --> 01:03:55,200
and Ringo all going away in Solo careers

1439
01:03:58,250 --> 01:03:56,760
and never forming the Beatles and not

1440
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,260
realizing that they could have recorded

1441
01:04:02,690 --> 01:04:00,960
Abbey Road and Sergeant papers and all

1442
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,700
those great albums and tracks and doing

1443
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:04,799
their own individual thing when actually

1444
01:04:07,730 --> 01:04:06,240
if you just got together and

1445
01:04:09,890 --> 01:04:07,740
communicated

1446
01:04:11,329 --> 01:04:09,900
but that's that's the world we live in

1447
01:04:14,329 --> 01:04:11,339
these days like you see it's on the

1448
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:14,339
precipice of potential Wars again you

1449
01:04:18,650 --> 01:04:16,799
know on a global scale it's it's very

1450
01:04:21,470 --> 01:04:18,660
unlikely to be happening isn't it um

1451
01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:21,480
yeah I think that

1452
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:23,220
um if

1453
01:04:32,089 --> 01:04:26,640
the Department of Defense start unifying

1454
01:04:34,750 --> 01:04:32,099
with NASA's instrumentation those two uh

1455
01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:34,760
you know space sensor

1456
01:04:39,730 --> 01:04:37,740
groups get together that's like Paul

1457
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:39,740
McCartney and John Lennon

1458
01:04:45,410 --> 01:04:42,480
reuniting to make an album and that's

1459
01:04:48,289 --> 01:04:45,420
going to make poor Ringo project Galileo

1460
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:48,299
kind of irrelevant in my opinion because

1461
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:51,420
he only has a a certain amount of money

1462
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:54,960
that he has to set up these

1463
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:57,780
uh detection systems anyways and he's

1464
01:05:01,789 --> 01:04:59,760
going to run out of it

1465
01:05:04,910 --> 01:05:01,799
um

1466
01:05:07,730 --> 01:05:04,920
yeah I think it's Yuri Geller right that

1467
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:07,740
invested in that who's one of these

1468
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:10,559
space entrepreneurs kind of like Bob

1469
01:05:17,569 --> 01:05:15,599
Bigelow or uh Jeff Bezos or

1470
01:05:20,329 --> 01:05:17,579
um

1471
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,339
Elon Musk all the rich people are doing

1472
01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:22,559
stuff in space you know all the richest

1473
01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:24,839
people in the world are interested in

1474
01:05:30,829 --> 01:05:27,480
space and Bob Bigelow is one of these

1475
01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:30,839
guys that quite infamously is interested

1476
01:05:36,109 --> 01:05:34,020
in UFOs as well yeah

1477
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:36,119
well lesson uh and you know what I did

1478
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:37,920
love and a very quick side note you

1479
01:05:40,490 --> 01:05:39,119
mentioned the phrase you know people

1480
01:05:42,170 --> 01:05:40,500
throwing their bag of chips up in the

1481
01:05:43,789 --> 01:05:42,180
air while they're watching football I

1482
01:05:45,410 --> 01:05:43,799
love that listeners on either side of

1483
01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:45,420
the pond we'll hear that exact same

1484
01:05:48,410 --> 01:05:46,920
sentence and hear it in two different

1485
01:05:50,569 --> 01:05:48,420
ways because it means very different

1486
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:50,579
things and as I decided upon two

1487
01:05:54,410 --> 01:05:52,740
different sports and chips one over the

1488
01:05:56,569 --> 01:05:54,420
shoulder and one with your legs right

1489
01:05:58,250 --> 01:05:56,579
yeah and one chap says crisps and the

1490
01:06:00,530 --> 01:05:58,260
other one chaps is like fries so there

1491
01:06:02,030 --> 01:06:00,540
we go yeah so yeah different imagery but

1492
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:02,040
bringing people together unlike the US

1493
01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:03,359
and Russia

1494
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:05,220
um listener questions Darcy let's finish

1495
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:07,440
off with some of those uh and first off

1496
01:06:11,930 --> 01:06:09,839
Dave Smithers regularly contributes a

1497
01:06:14,210 --> 01:06:11,940
lot of questions so thanks Dave he wants

1498
01:06:16,130 --> 01:06:14,220
to know can I ask Darcy what does Darcy

1499
01:06:18,829 --> 01:06:16,140
make of Tom delonge's narrative about

1500
01:06:23,329 --> 01:06:18,839
Alien aliens being on the moon as well

1501
01:06:30,529 --> 01:06:25,670
um I don't know if it's necessarily Tom

1502
01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:30,539
delongs you know uh story I think he's

1503
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,000
just come across that that's been

1504
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:35,760
I mean I made a documentary

1505
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:38,400
the first documentary I ever made was in

1506
01:06:44,210 --> 01:06:41,520
2000 started making in 2009 and I

1507
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:44,220
published it to YouTube initially in its

1508
01:06:50,750 --> 01:06:47,760
initial form on YouTube

1509
01:06:52,849 --> 01:06:50,760
in 2012 and that was called The

1510
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:52,859
Underground and I spoke to Guys Like

1511
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:55,920
Richard souter who is really hard to get

1512
01:07:01,809 --> 01:06:59,039
a hold of now Richard souter wrote three

1513
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:01,819
books on underground base construction

1514
01:07:08,089 --> 01:07:05,520
and you know that sort of Conquest that

1515
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,099
was being led by the Americans and

1516
01:07:13,609 --> 01:07:09,839
Britain as well

1517
01:07:16,130 --> 01:07:13,619
in um in plain hidden in plain sight is

1518
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,140
one of his books he talks about these

1519
01:07:23,329 --> 01:07:18,480
plans that the British military had to

1520
01:07:30,170 --> 01:07:26,870
by the British Navy and he got the

1521
01:07:31,329 --> 01:07:30,180
illustrations that were done by a famous

1522
01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:31,339
um

1523
01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:33,660
illustrator that worked for the

1524
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:36,180
military-industrial complex

1525
01:07:43,010 --> 01:07:39,180
and um yeah I think

1526
01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:43,020
bases being under the ocean and in space

1527
01:07:50,809 --> 01:07:45,539
has been part of the narrative the UFO

1528
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:52,910
I mean

1529
01:07:58,849 --> 01:07:56,400
I appreciate Tom Delong a lot of people

1530
01:08:00,890 --> 01:07:58,859
a lot of people may

1531
01:08:06,049 --> 01:08:00,900
fall into a camp where they think Tom

1532
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:06,059
delong's uh story is a distraction or

1533
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:08,880
you know I don't believe any of that I

1534
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:11,520
think what he's done is he's further

1535
01:08:16,189 --> 01:08:14,400
legitimized the UFO study in the public

1536
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:16,199
Arena

1537
01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:19,020
um like no one else has you know he's a

1538
01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:20,160
he's a

1539
01:08:28,610 --> 01:08:25,080
a rock star that turns his interest into

1540
01:08:30,169 --> 01:08:28,620
towards UFO ufology and brought it to

1541
01:08:33,470 --> 01:08:30,179
the masses in a bigger way and I

1542
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:33,480
appreciate that about him I I I I think

1543
01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:36,480
anybody that's going to legitimize this

1544
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:39,480
subject to some point is doing good work

1545
01:08:43,130 --> 01:08:41,160
no matter what

1546
01:08:44,749 --> 01:08:43,140
and he's clearly a fan of the subject as

1547
01:08:46,010 --> 01:08:44,759
well that's that always comes across

1548
01:08:47,689 --> 01:08:46,020
he's passionate about it and whether

1549
01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:47,699
he's he's got some things right and

1550
01:08:51,169 --> 01:08:49,560
something's wrong and from what I

1551
01:08:52,910 --> 01:08:51,179
understand as many others have said he

1552
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,920
got a few scoldings from some of the

1553
01:08:56,150 --> 01:08:54,480
things he went too far and talking about

1554
01:08:57,769 --> 01:08:56,160
that he shouldn't have

1555
01:08:59,090 --> 01:08:57,779
um but that's the kind of stuff that

1556
01:09:01,490 --> 01:08:59,100
people want we want to hear party

1557
01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:01,500
politicians licking things left right

1558
01:09:06,530 --> 01:09:04,620
and Center you know Timber [\h__\h] you know

1559
01:09:08,530 --> 01:09:06,540
um make Gallagher Rubio Warner

1560
01:09:10,910 --> 01:09:08,540
gillibrand you know

1561
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:10,920
the people would love these folks to

1562
01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:12,239
come out and say what they've heard or

1563
01:09:15,769 --> 01:09:14,100
what they've seen in briefings but at

1564
01:09:18,169 --> 01:09:15,779
the minute they wouldn't

1565
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:18,179
um so yeah who knows but I'd also want

1566
01:09:22,669 --> 01:09:19,980
to know from from Dave Smithers asking

1567
01:09:25,390 --> 01:09:22,679
has Darcy picked up any more new info on

1568
01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:25,400
black triangles and particularly

1569
01:09:31,970 --> 01:09:30,420
tr3bs or other arvs since his last movie

1570
01:09:34,849 --> 01:09:31,980
I'm always

1571
01:09:35,689 --> 01:09:34,859
scanning for information about that

1572
01:09:38,570 --> 01:09:35,699
um

1573
01:09:42,050 --> 01:09:38,580
look I think black triangles are

1574
01:09:45,950 --> 01:09:42,060
possibly a mix of our technology that

1575
01:09:48,650 --> 01:09:45,960
we're seeing in our skies as well as

1576
01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:48,660
possible extraterrestrial

1577
01:09:54,890 --> 01:09:52,020
um technology because we've heard some

1578
01:09:57,470 --> 01:09:54,900
pretty credible accounts of

1579
01:10:00,650 --> 01:09:57,480
um these type of craps even sort of

1580
01:10:02,150 --> 01:10:00,660
touching down and I do touch on that in

1581
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:02,160
this documentary I don't know if you

1582
01:10:06,370 --> 01:10:04,860
noticed the James Fox segment where I

1583
01:10:09,470 --> 01:10:06,380
asked him

1584
01:10:11,450 --> 01:10:09,480
if he believed in a secret space program

1585
01:10:14,750 --> 01:10:11,460
or

1586
01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:14,760
um you know the possibility that tr-3bs

1587
01:10:17,810 --> 01:10:16,920
are out there

1588
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:17,820
um

1589
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,219
and I I further asked him if the Phoenix

1590
01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:22,560
Lights incident

1591
01:10:27,169 --> 01:10:26,100
might have been our technology

1592
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:27,179
right

1593
01:10:32,810 --> 01:10:30,000
and he has a very uh candid response to

1594
01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:32,820
that where he says

1595
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:36,300
no he thinks it's you know not from our

1596
01:10:39,169 --> 01:10:37,199
planet

1597
01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:39,179
yeah it was two miles wide and you know

1598
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:40,920
five Simon Timmy mentions all of that as

1599
01:10:45,490 --> 01:10:44,159
well doesn't he yeah he also mentions uh

1600
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,500
the fact that there was like a

1601
01:10:51,169 --> 01:10:48,239
telepathic aspect a lot of the people

1602
01:10:52,610 --> 01:10:51,179
that witnessed that that night

1603
01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:52,620
from

1604
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:55,260
all over the state stated that they

1605
01:11:01,130 --> 01:10:58,560
started getting like interactions with

1606
01:11:02,570 --> 01:11:01,140
the object that seemed to be like some

1607
01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:02,580
kind of communication

1608
01:11:08,689 --> 01:11:06,120
being beamed into their head

1609
01:11:11,410 --> 01:11:08,699
um and that's pretty incredible stuff

1610
01:11:14,570 --> 01:11:11,420
you wouldn't hear about that if you saw

1611
01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:14,580
tr3b because that's just our nuts and

1612
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:17,880
bolts craft I don't think we really have

1613
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:21,360
we're not that advanced yet

1614
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,310
you know I've talked to Michael schrat

1615
01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:30,239
and

1616
01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:33,900
he doesn't you know tr3b is a myth right

1617
01:11:39,470 --> 01:11:35,940
to him it's just

1618
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,480
it's a code name or a

1619
01:11:44,450 --> 01:11:41,520
um

1620
01:11:46,910 --> 01:11:44,460
a nickname for something that's

1621
01:11:50,770 --> 01:11:46,920
anti-gravidic that was built by us an

1622
01:11:54,410 --> 01:11:50,780
arv and uh Alien reproduction vehicle

1623
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,420
and you have you know I've spoken to

1624
01:11:59,450 --> 01:11:56,400
Larry Lowe who all of a sudden doesn't

1625
01:12:01,010 --> 01:11:59,460
like me but um

1626
01:12:08,570 --> 01:12:01,020
he

1627
01:12:12,169 --> 01:12:08,580
interesting

1628
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,179
camps out there and these theories of

1629
01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:14,880
what's going on and interacting with our

1630
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:17,580
planet and I think it's a mix I think

1631
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:20,880
it's definitely some of our stuff that's

1632
01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:24,719
deeply classified and some of their

1633
01:12:29,649 --> 01:12:28,020
stuff and uh I I don't think our stuff

1634
01:12:32,750 --> 01:12:29,659
is

1635
01:12:36,110 --> 01:12:32,760
uh well if you talk to Jim Goodall

1636
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,120
he'll say you know we can produce Tic

1637
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:39,120
Tacs we can produce everything I don't

1638
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:42,480
think we are producing Tic Tacs

1639
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:46,080
um but and I think the

1640
01:12:51,970 --> 01:12:48,540
go fast gimbal footage and the Tic Tac

1641
01:12:55,010 --> 01:12:51,980
footage that's been quite famous since

1642
01:12:57,229 --> 01:12:55,020
2017. I don't think that those are our

1643
01:13:02,510 --> 01:12:57,239
vehicles

1644
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,520
I think that the American Military

1645
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,560
the Department of Defense is sitting on

1646
01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:06,480
a mountain of evidence

1647
01:13:10,850 --> 01:13:09,960
both Visual and

1648
01:13:16,729 --> 01:13:10,860
um

1649
01:13:18,590 --> 01:13:16,739
that the public will never see

1650
01:13:20,330 --> 01:13:18,600
people are always saying like why

1651
01:13:22,490 --> 01:13:20,340
doesn't Jeremy Corbell release more

1652
01:13:25,610 --> 01:13:22,500
footage and it's like dude it's

1653
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:25,620
classified he doesn't want to go to jail

1654
01:13:31,729 --> 01:13:28,920
would you want to no not over like you

1655
01:13:33,709 --> 01:13:31,739
know the UFO uh subject is really

1656
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:33,719
important and everybody wants to see

1657
01:13:40,970 --> 01:13:38,400
more footage I do too but not at

1658
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,980
the risk of being thrown in jail

1659
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:42,719
and there's also an argument a lot of

1660
01:13:46,430 --> 01:13:44,159
that footage whether it's been released

1661
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:46,440
by Jeremy Corbell whether it's James Fox

1662
01:13:50,570 --> 01:13:49,020
Virginia footage that he's aggressively

1663
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:50,580
going after

1664
01:13:54,110 --> 01:13:52,260
um or the the leaked videos through the

1665
01:13:55,310 --> 01:13:54,120
Tic Tac you know they go fast to the

1666
01:13:57,290 --> 01:13:55,320
gimbal

1667
01:13:58,729 --> 01:13:57,300
there's an argument that

1668
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:58,739
if

1669
01:14:03,290 --> 01:14:00,960
for some people it was almost better

1670
01:14:05,330 --> 01:14:03,300
that none of that was released because

1671
01:14:07,970 --> 01:14:05,340
it's never enough

1672
01:14:09,410 --> 01:14:07,980
and the the date they don't get the data

1673
01:14:11,450 --> 01:14:09,420
to come with it that would really

1674
01:14:14,570 --> 01:14:11,460
satisfy the Curiosity

1675
01:14:16,430 --> 01:14:14,580
and even then what is enough it's never

1676
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:16,440
going to be enough so do you want

1677
01:14:20,330 --> 01:14:18,540
a leak like that from Jeremy Corbell

1678
01:14:22,189 --> 01:14:20,340
every day of the year I would take it

1679
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:22,199
some of it I think is prosaic some of it

1680
01:14:26,330 --> 01:14:24,000
may be misidentifications but it's

1681
01:14:28,850 --> 01:14:26,340
usually interesting to at least hear

1682
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,860
people trying debunker or get to the

1683
01:14:32,290 --> 01:14:30,239
bottom of it I think the last release

1684
01:14:35,149 --> 01:14:32,300
was it did look like a message

1685
01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:35,159
the muscle orb

1686
01:14:38,810 --> 01:14:36,900
um they had the orb and then you had the

1687
01:14:41,149 --> 01:14:38,820
one after it that showed the frames of

1688
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:41,159
the cigar looking object going across

1689
01:14:45,530 --> 01:14:43,080
was it bat was it Baghdad or something

1690
01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:45,540
oh yeah Phantom and I looked and went

1691
01:14:49,310 --> 01:14:47,580
for all intents and purposes that does

1692
01:14:51,649 --> 01:14:49,320
look like a missile

1693
01:14:53,090 --> 01:14:51,659
um but then you hear yeah but you don't

1694
01:14:55,729 --> 01:14:53,100
have the data and all the stuff from the

1695
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:55,739
background yeah we don't so without that

1696
01:15:01,010 --> 01:14:58,320
I I get the frustration

1697
01:15:04,910 --> 01:15:01,020
I think he's smart because he's

1698
01:15:07,070 --> 01:15:04,920
releasing what he can right

1699
01:15:10,250 --> 01:15:07,080
um without getting into too much trouble

1700
01:15:14,270 --> 01:15:10,260
about it but then you've got every

1701
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,280
debunker and armchair skeptic attacking

1702
01:15:20,030 --> 01:15:16,800
him Mick West and and everybody

1703
01:15:23,390 --> 01:15:20,040
uh coming out of the woodwork

1704
01:15:26,510 --> 01:15:23,400
um and he's in a difficult place because

1705
01:15:28,010 --> 01:15:26,520
he can't release more right like I said

1706
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:28,020
this stuff

1707
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:31,920
is classified and if it is classified

1708
01:15:37,310 --> 01:15:34,560
um in in the documentary that's coming

1709
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:37,320
out on May 2nd the fast Walker

1710
01:15:44,810 --> 01:15:40,500
documentary Richard Dolan isn't it

1711
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:44,820
one of my heroes and uh he quite plainly

1712
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:47,340
talks about an incident where somebody

1713
01:15:53,209 --> 01:15:49,440
in the Air Force released classified

1714
01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:53,219
material back in the day to the UFO

1715
01:15:58,490 --> 01:15:55,560
community

1716
01:16:02,390 --> 01:15:58,500
whose Name Escapes me right now and she

1717
01:16:04,370 --> 01:16:02,400
got in a lot of trouble the FBI was

1718
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,380
knocking on her door man

1719
01:16:07,689 --> 01:16:06,480
and you do not want to be in that

1720
01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:07,699
position

1721
01:16:11,870 --> 01:16:09,960
ask me the car that's if you're not seen

1722
01:16:14,450 --> 01:16:11,880
the breaking news from today with the

1723
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:14,460
Airman who's had his home raided by the

1724
01:16:19,370 --> 01:16:17,280
FBI literally hours ago who leaked the

1725
01:16:21,770 --> 01:16:19,380
Ukraine documents online it went on a

1726
01:16:23,330 --> 01:16:21,780
Discord server and yeah this is all

1727
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:23,340
kicking off so there's someone who has

1728
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:25,679
leaked official documents and they are

1729
01:16:29,810 --> 01:16:27,600
in a world of trouble that is like New

1730
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:29,820
York Times breaking news all over the

1731
01:16:33,530 --> 01:16:31,920
place and that's what people are saying

1732
01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:33,540
yeah but I don't care I want to know

1733
01:16:38,930 --> 01:16:36,300
about the UFOs yeah we all do but do you

1734
01:16:40,130 --> 01:16:38,940
think aloe Elizondo or Jeremy Corbell or

1735
01:16:41,630 --> 01:16:40,140
George Knapp are going to sit and see

1736
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:41,640
actually here's something I'm not meant

1737
01:16:45,709 --> 01:16:44,340
to tell you but I will because yeah they

1738
01:16:50,510 --> 01:16:45,719
go away

1739
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:50,520
exactly like no one wants to risk life

1740
01:16:56,270 --> 01:16:54,719
and limb just to disclose UFOs and I

1741
01:17:01,610 --> 01:16:56,280
think that's why you get a lot of these

1742
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:03,950
I'm friends with Stephen cambian

1743
01:17:08,750 --> 01:17:06,480
I think he's good for the UFO Community

1744
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:08,760
he's a huge skeptic

1745
01:17:13,610 --> 01:17:10,800
um debunker he's going after everybody

1746
01:17:14,450 --> 01:17:13,620
fine you know

1747
01:17:17,470 --> 01:17:14,460
um

1748
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:17,480
I don't think he's always right but

1749
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:20,640
he is

1750
01:17:25,010 --> 01:17:23,520
right sometimes and

1751
01:17:27,530 --> 01:17:25,020
um

1752
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,540
he'll say to me like oh well

1753
01:17:31,310 --> 01:17:29,520
you know why why is it these people

1754
01:17:33,290 --> 01:17:31,320
aren't just releasing all of their

1755
01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:33,300
evidence why aren't they releasing all

1756
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:35,580
the documents and all that stuff and the

1757
01:17:40,010 --> 01:17:37,679
the simple answer is you don't want the

1758
01:17:42,590 --> 01:17:40,020
FBI knocking on your door

1759
01:17:44,270 --> 01:17:42,600
uh there is there are things that are

1760
01:17:47,450 --> 01:17:44,280
going to get you in trouble

1761
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:47,460
and not just you people people don't

1762
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:50,159
think about when I'll use Lou Alexander

1763
01:17:54,290 --> 01:17:52,320
was the big example okay when he

1764
01:17:57,290 --> 01:17:54,300
finishes an interview with me

1765
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:57,300
uh or John Greenwald or Joe Rogan or any

1766
01:18:00,890 --> 01:17:59,760
any podcast or TV show and the camera

1767
01:18:04,669 --> 01:18:00,900
goes off

1768
01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:04,679
he like anyone else goes in his car or

1769
01:18:10,490 --> 01:18:07,380
in his taxi or on the subway and goes

1770
01:18:13,130 --> 01:18:10,500
home to his usually partner or their

1771
01:18:14,330 --> 01:18:13,140
kids or their grandkids or their loved

1772
01:18:16,130 --> 01:18:14,340
ones

1773
01:18:19,010 --> 01:18:16,140
those are the people that get affected

1774
01:18:21,530 --> 01:18:19,020
it doesn't need to be aloe Elizondo or a

1775
01:18:24,530 --> 01:18:21,540
Chris melon or a Tom Delong or on a

1776
01:18:26,689 --> 01:18:24,540
Jungle George nap they have family they

1777
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:26,699
have friends and that's the people where

1778
01:18:30,350 --> 01:18:28,800
like in all other walks of life pressure

1779
01:18:32,750 --> 01:18:30,360
would be applied to I know that happened

1780
01:18:35,570 --> 01:18:32,760
in sport we're a director of a football

1781
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,580
club threatened the couple of guys who

1782
01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:37,199
were the head of a fan support group

1783
01:18:42,890 --> 01:18:40,380
with their jobs and their spouse's jobs

1784
01:18:44,330 --> 01:18:42,900
if they didn't stop coming out and

1785
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:44,340
speaking negatively about a football

1786
01:18:55,729 --> 01:18:53,750
it was the former chairman of Rangers

1787
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,739
football club uh funnily enough and that

1788
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,120
might mean something to some listeners

1789
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,800
but he essentially sat down with the

1790
01:19:03,050 --> 01:19:00,480
head of a fans group and said oh you

1791
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:03,060
know Darcy your your wife she just got a

1792
01:19:06,530 --> 01:19:04,800
job at such and such a law firm yeah

1793
01:19:07,970 --> 01:19:06,540
yeah I know the I know the board of

1794
01:19:09,470 --> 01:19:07,980
directors quite well at that firm yeah

1795
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:09,480
be a shame if she lost that job wouldn't

1796
01:19:11,810 --> 01:19:10,320
it

1797
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:11,820
yeah are you going to keep pushing your

1798
01:19:16,430 --> 01:19:13,920
agenda and that's the kind of thing that

1799
01:19:18,050 --> 01:19:16,440
happens on all kinds of levels yeah I

1800
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:18,060
mean even people would think about that

1801
01:19:22,850 --> 01:19:21,840
the West all incident right 1966 April

1802
01:19:26,330 --> 01:19:22,860
6th

1803
01:19:30,169 --> 01:19:26,340
Daniel Green Greenwood was the science

1804
01:19:31,490 --> 01:19:30,179
teacher that noticed the UFO out of his

1805
01:19:35,209 --> 01:19:31,500
classroom

1806
01:19:38,090 --> 01:19:35,219
and pointed that out to his class of

1807
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:38,100
students everybody was you know up in

1808
01:19:42,410 --> 01:19:40,560
arms about this and then recess broke

1809
01:19:44,990 --> 01:19:42,420
out and

1810
01:19:47,930 --> 01:19:45,000
hundreds of people witnessed

1811
01:19:51,050 --> 01:19:47,940
one possibly two UFOs

1812
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:51,060
flying over in broad daylight a mass

1813
01:19:56,030 --> 01:19:53,520
witness sighting and Daniel was

1814
01:19:56,990 --> 01:19:56,040
interviewed by the newspaper what

1815
01:19:59,810 --> 01:19:57,000
happened

1816
01:20:03,830 --> 01:19:59,820
the Royal Australian Air Force

1817
01:20:06,530 --> 01:20:03,840
went after him she threatened him and

1818
01:20:09,410 --> 01:20:06,540
his testimony is that they threatened

1819
01:20:10,669 --> 01:20:09,420
his job you know they said we're going

1820
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:10,679
to tell

1821
01:20:15,290 --> 01:20:11,760
um

1822
01:20:17,090 --> 01:20:15,300
the school that you you have a problem

1823
01:20:18,830 --> 01:20:17,100
with drinking and you've made up all

1824
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:18,840
this stuff so it's in your best interest

1825
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:21,360
to just stop talking about it don't do

1826
01:20:26,630 --> 01:20:23,760
any more interviews with the Press

1827
01:20:28,970 --> 01:20:26,640
because they wanted to keep this under

1828
01:20:30,590 --> 01:20:28,980
wraps they wanted to keep that UFO

1829
01:20:33,950 --> 01:20:30,600
incident

1830
01:20:38,090 --> 01:20:33,960
um not talked about and this happens

1831
01:20:40,490 --> 01:20:38,100
over and over again to civilians to

1832
01:20:42,169 --> 01:20:40,500
military personnel what's going on with

1833
01:20:43,370 --> 01:20:42,179
arrow right now I think is very

1834
01:20:45,470 --> 01:20:43,380
important

1835
01:20:46,970 --> 01:20:45,480
you have

1836
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:46,980
um

1837
01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:50,000
the aaro office

1838
01:20:57,530 --> 01:20:52,980
investigating UFO

1839
01:21:02,390 --> 01:20:57,540
history and cases and interviewing

1840
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:02,400
people like Dr Jacobs who saw the uh

1841
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,040
dummy Warhead shot out of the sky and

1842
01:21:10,930 --> 01:21:07,920
apparently filmed that

1843
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:10,940
um and they're you know

1844
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,199
subsequently because he's in the Air

1845
01:21:18,110 --> 01:21:16,080
Force it's not like a civilian being

1846
01:21:20,990 --> 01:21:18,120
approached so that's where the three

1847
01:21:22,130 --> 01:21:21,000
letter agencies like the CIA get

1848
01:21:28,729 --> 01:21:22,140
involved

1849
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:28,739
or some kind of government organization

1850
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:30,800
that they want to scare that person

1851
01:21:37,550 --> 01:21:35,040
because you know it has to come from a

1852
01:21:39,890 --> 01:21:37,560
more authoritative organization

1853
01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:39,900
a civilian can be approached by the FBI

1854
01:21:42,050 --> 01:21:40,920
or

1855
01:21:43,310 --> 01:21:42,060
uh

1856
01:21:44,930 --> 01:21:43,320
you know

1857
01:21:49,130 --> 01:21:44,940
some kind of

1858
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:49,140
military uh officer and that'll scare

1859
01:21:53,689 --> 01:21:52,380
them enough to give over photos or shut

1860
01:21:56,330 --> 01:21:53,699
up

1861
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:56,340
um and not talk about their their case

1862
01:22:00,649 --> 01:21:58,080
but when you've got the military you're

1863
01:22:01,669 --> 01:22:00,659
going to get CIA kind of getting in

1864
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:01,679
there

1865
01:22:07,870 --> 01:22:02,400
um

1866
01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:07,880
Witnesses not to talk about this stuff

1867
01:22:12,830 --> 01:22:10,260
historically right and then you got

1868
01:22:17,330 --> 01:22:12,840
Robert Salas who was interviewed by

1869
01:22:20,270 --> 01:22:17,340
arrow and uh I was on a Twitter space

1870
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:20,280
the other day and I think Chris what's

1871
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:23,280
the guy's name that that's on uh part of

1872
01:22:31,610 --> 01:22:27,600
the Skinwalker Ranch Chris bottel Bartel

1873
01:22:33,890 --> 01:22:31,620
vartel yeah so he was talking about how

1874
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:33,900
he found out when he was working at the

1875
01:22:40,030 --> 01:22:36,780
Skinwalker Ranch only once he was

1876
01:22:44,330 --> 01:22:40,040
working there that there's a radiation

1877
01:22:48,649 --> 01:22:44,340
uh issue and that he was exposed to

1878
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:48,659
radiation uh that may have made him sick

1879
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:51,120
and he was he's quite Furious about that

1880
01:22:58,430 --> 01:22:54,719
but he recently I think I don't think he

1881
01:23:01,250 --> 01:22:58,440
said it in the space that I was in but

1882
01:23:05,330 --> 01:23:01,260
um he alluded to just getting back from

1883
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:05,340
Washington DC and being interviewed

1884
01:23:10,729 --> 01:23:08,400
Okay so

1885
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:10,739
I think he went to Arrow as well and he

1886
01:23:15,709 --> 01:23:13,440
gave testimony about what their findings

1887
01:23:17,689 --> 01:23:15,719
were at Skinwalker Ranch which is a

1888
01:23:20,270 --> 01:23:17,699
highly anomalous place on the planet

1889
01:23:24,290 --> 01:23:22,130
um

1890
01:23:26,090 --> 01:23:24,300
so it's really interesting what's going

1891
01:23:28,610 --> 01:23:26,100
on right now people are are skeptical

1892
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:28,620
about what's happening James Fox you

1893
01:23:34,250 --> 01:23:31,920
know is is out there in Washington DC uh

1894
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:34,260
he's actually actively in investigating

1895
01:23:37,790 --> 01:23:36,480
and researching for a documentary right

1896
01:23:38,450 --> 01:23:37,800
now

1897
01:23:44,450 --> 01:23:38,460
um

1898
01:23:48,350 --> 01:23:44,460
happening uh around Capitol Hill

1899
01:23:51,410 --> 01:23:48,360
regarding the UFO issue and

1900
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,420
I think he's scared too that all this

1901
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:53,280
information is going to go into arrow

1902
01:23:56,570 --> 01:23:55,199
and it might end up in a black hole it

1903
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,580
might end up being

1904
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:59,040
classified or Never released to the

1905
01:24:01,970 --> 01:24:00,480
public who knows

1906
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:01,980
but um

1907
01:24:05,450 --> 01:24:03,840
it doesn't look like it's going that way

1908
01:24:07,070 --> 01:24:05,460
especially if we're having these UFO

1909
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:07,080
hearings

1910
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:08,880
no people listening to us no weeks time

1911
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,560
will know either way what's going to be

1912
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:12,000
happening the last couple of questions

1913
01:24:15,790 --> 01:24:13,679
Darcy before we let you go on with your

1914
01:24:18,169 --> 01:24:15,800
day from time's end over on YouTube

1915
01:24:19,970 --> 01:24:18,179
given there is enough evidence of this

1916
01:24:22,910 --> 01:24:19,980
phenomenon traveling seemingly without

1917
01:24:24,350 --> 01:24:22,920
any effort through air and then see I

1918
01:24:26,510 --> 01:24:24,360
don't see an issue for them to travel

1919
01:24:28,610 --> 01:24:26,520
through land as well it's just three

1920
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:28,620
different states of matter we have had

1921
01:24:34,130 --> 01:24:30,000
we had

1922
01:24:35,870 --> 01:24:34,140
rock however with their technology it

1923
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:35,880
should be just as easy essentially

1924
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:36,960
they're saying you know traveling

1925
01:24:40,970 --> 01:24:38,880
through solid rock basically through

1926
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:40,980
solid matter has there been any evidence

1927
01:24:46,010 --> 01:24:44,159
you've seen of this being studied or has

1928
01:24:50,270 --> 01:24:46,020
anyone researched ground in Earth you

1929
01:24:53,930 --> 01:24:51,830
I don't know if I agree with that

1930
01:24:54,649 --> 01:24:53,940
statement

1931
01:25:00,410 --> 01:24:54,659
um

1932
01:25:04,130 --> 01:25:01,790
that

1933
01:25:06,169 --> 01:25:04,140
statement makes me think back to

1934
01:25:08,689 --> 01:25:06,179
something that Jacques Cousteau said a

1935
01:25:12,590 --> 01:25:08,699
famous uh

1936
01:25:14,750 --> 01:25:12,600
aquatic researcher that went was one of

1937
01:25:18,890 --> 01:25:14,760
the first people to go to deep sea and

1938
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:18,900
and look at our uh abyss and you know go

1939
01:25:22,810 --> 01:25:21,840
in submarines where no man had gone

1940
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:22,820
before

1941
01:25:31,070 --> 01:25:27,360
uh to catalog things in the oceans

1942
01:25:34,010 --> 01:25:31,080
that no person had cataloged before he

1943
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:34,020
referred to the planet

1944
01:25:39,050 --> 01:25:35,520
uh Earth

1945
01:25:43,550 --> 01:25:41,209
states of fluid

1946
01:25:47,930 --> 01:25:43,560
and that is a truth

1947
01:25:51,770 --> 01:25:47,940
um the atmosphere you know the air is a

1948
01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:51,780
gaseous fluid and the ocean is a liquid

1949
01:25:56,510 --> 01:25:52,920
fluid

1950
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:56,520
I think if you're gonna operate in a UAP

1951
01:26:04,129 --> 01:26:00,800
a UFO that's able to

1952
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:04,139
manipulate the fluid around it whether

1953
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:07,440
that's a gaseous atmosphere or a liquid

1954
01:26:11,930 --> 01:26:10,320
liquid

1955
01:26:14,689 --> 01:26:11,940
um like the ocean

1956
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:14,699
you're more likely to be able to

1957
01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:18,000
manipulate them similarly one fluid is a

1958
01:26:22,370 --> 01:26:19,260
little bit heavier than the other

1959
01:26:26,750 --> 01:26:22,380
obviously right gas is a light fluid

1960
01:26:28,669 --> 01:26:26,760
atmosphere and the ocean is a heavier

1961
01:26:34,370 --> 01:26:28,679
fluid atmosphere

1962
01:26:36,410 --> 01:26:34,380
but I don't think that land would be as

1963
01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:36,420
easily manipulated

1964
01:26:42,530 --> 01:26:38,820
I don't think that you're gonna that's

1965
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:45,250
although there have been accounts of

1966
01:26:51,649 --> 01:26:47,760
abductees people that claim that they've

1967
01:26:54,590 --> 01:26:51,659
been abducted by UFOs that were occupied

1968
01:26:56,209 --> 01:26:54,600
by extraterrestrials

1969
01:26:58,669 --> 01:26:56,219
and

1970
01:27:00,590 --> 01:26:58,679
quite often we hear about people that

1971
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:00,600
say that almost like the wall

1972
01:27:05,390 --> 01:27:02,400
disappeared

1973
01:27:08,090 --> 01:27:05,400
or they were levitating through the roof

1974
01:27:08,930 --> 01:27:08,100
into the craft

1975
01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:08,940
um

1976
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:11,580
and that is a manipulation of matter it

1977
01:27:18,890 --> 01:27:17,570
I don't know

1978
01:27:21,709 --> 01:27:18,900
but

1979
01:27:28,010 --> 01:27:25,850
do I think that they're you know if you

1980
01:27:30,649 --> 01:27:28,020
think about that state that they're

1981
01:27:34,610 --> 01:27:30,659
manipulating matter like uh the roof of

1982
01:27:36,830 --> 01:27:34,620
a house or the wall of a house it seems

1983
01:27:38,209 --> 01:27:36,840
that the craft is stationary at that

1984
01:27:41,810 --> 01:27:38,219
time right

1985
01:27:44,330 --> 01:27:41,820
it's it's in a stable state

1986
01:27:48,410 --> 01:27:44,340
um but if you look at

1987
01:27:51,530 --> 01:27:48,420
a craft in motion that's going from the

1988
01:27:53,570 --> 01:27:51,540
Earth's from space then through our

1989
01:27:56,990 --> 01:27:53,580
gaseous atmosphere

1990
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:57,000
and then into the ocean that's

1991
01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:00,719
that is emotion right and I I think

1992
01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:02,159
um

1993
01:28:06,110 --> 01:28:04,380
you need something to be fluid in order

1994
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:06,120
to

1995
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,460
just like manipulate matter the same way

1996
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:22,560
thanks for that and I was gonna say I'm

1997
01:28:25,729 --> 01:28:24,480
not a scientist you'll have to speak no

1998
01:28:27,290 --> 01:28:25,739
no yes

1999
01:28:28,910 --> 01:28:27,300
I don't think any scientists have really

2000
01:28:31,970 --> 01:28:28,920
cracked that one yet anyway traveling

2001
01:28:33,770 --> 01:28:31,980
through Rock and solid matter not you

2002
01:28:35,090 --> 01:28:33,780
know maybe in terms of passing an atom

2003
01:28:36,350 --> 01:28:35,100
through or something like that or a

2004
01:28:38,810 --> 01:28:36,360
photon but

2005
01:28:41,209 --> 01:28:38,820
um not full craft that we know of

2006
01:28:43,010 --> 01:28:41,219
um question you answered earlier in the

2007
01:28:44,750 --> 01:28:43,020
interview from dalamar so thank you that

2008
01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:44,760
was about airbrushing uh out of

2009
01:28:48,410 --> 01:28:46,260
photographs and stuff from NASA so

2010
01:28:50,570 --> 01:28:48,420
thanks for sending that one over and

2011
01:28:52,970 --> 01:28:50,580
also a last question from Tim over on

2012
01:28:55,490 --> 01:28:52,980
patreon what do you think of the pending

2013
01:28:56,990 --> 01:28:55,500
Artemis Mission uh that NASA are sending

2014
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:57,000
obviously astronauts back to the Moon

2015
01:29:02,350 --> 01:28:59,040
especially when they seem to be so away

2016
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:02,360
out of the moon's secrets

2017
01:29:10,129 --> 01:29:06,900
uh I think it's interesting I think that

2018
01:29:13,250 --> 01:29:10,139
um Artemis is important for the United

2019
01:29:16,010 --> 01:29:13,260
States again to reign supreme in space

2020
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:16,020
and we do have the sixth branch of the

2021
01:29:21,950 --> 01:29:19,440
military the space force being set up uh

2022
01:29:26,570 --> 01:29:21,960
before the Artemis missions so I think

2023
01:29:27,530 --> 01:29:26,580
the Americans are uh securing space in a

2024
01:29:32,270 --> 01:29:27,540
public

2025
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:32,280
uh uh in the Public's eye more than ever

2026
01:29:36,050 --> 01:29:33,360
um

2027
01:29:40,010 --> 01:29:36,060
against their adversaries Russia and

2028
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:40,020
China but um yeah every country is

2029
01:29:45,770 --> 01:29:41,760
interested in landing on the moon if you

2030
01:29:47,810 --> 01:29:45,780
talk to Mike Barra he theorizes that we

2031
01:29:49,310 --> 01:29:47,820
actually recovered technology from the

2032
01:29:52,370 --> 01:29:49,320
Moon ancient

2033
01:29:55,550 --> 01:29:52,380
technology that was highly Advanced from

2034
01:29:56,810 --> 01:29:55,560
possibly these structures and such

2035
01:29:59,930 --> 01:29:56,820
um

2036
01:30:01,010 --> 01:29:59,940
his theory is that Apollo 11 was you

2037
01:30:03,470 --> 01:30:01,020
know

2038
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:03,480
let's land and show that we can do it

2039
01:30:10,970 --> 01:30:07,679
but then Apollo 12 to 17 were alien

2040
01:30:13,490 --> 01:30:10,980
artifact recovery missions

2041
01:30:16,129 --> 01:30:13,500
really interesting stuff

2042
01:30:19,790 --> 01:30:16,139
um but uh

2043
01:30:22,850 --> 01:30:19,800
I think Artemis will be again a

2044
01:30:25,250 --> 01:30:22,860
combination of PR propaganda from NASA

2045
01:30:28,669 --> 01:30:25,260
but also

2046
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:28,679
maybe they'll find stuff on the moon and

2047
01:30:34,010 --> 01:30:31,040
that will be part of the pr exercise

2048
01:30:36,890 --> 01:30:34,020
they'll show that publicly but if you

2049
01:30:39,950 --> 01:30:36,900
look at the footage from Artemis when

2050
01:30:41,810 --> 01:30:39,960
they recently flew to the moon

2051
01:30:46,189 --> 01:30:41,820
the first mission

2052
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:46,199
like it's pathetic it's ridiculous it's

2053
01:30:50,990 --> 01:30:49,199
like stop-motion footage it's very laggy

2054
01:30:52,030 --> 01:30:51,000
and poor

2055
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:52,040
um

2056
01:30:57,290 --> 01:30:54,719
so that's time we should be getting some

2057
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:57,300
good 4K imagery but I don't know I don't

2058
01:31:01,610 --> 01:30:58,800
even understand why they weren't able to

2059
01:31:05,149 --> 01:31:01,620
do that on that mission like we've got

2060
01:31:07,970 --> 01:31:05,159
8K cameras we've got amazing resolution

2061
01:31:11,290 --> 01:31:07,980
cameras now that should have yielded so

2062
01:31:14,330 --> 01:31:11,300
much but again that information I mean

2063
01:31:17,209 --> 01:31:14,340
in this documentary fast Walkers that's

2064
01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:17,219
coming out May 2nd I literally am

2065
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:20,159
covering uh the aspects of all the

2066
01:31:24,050 --> 01:31:21,600
different types of camera technology

2067
01:31:25,850 --> 01:31:24,060
that we had on the STS and the ISS

2068
01:31:28,850 --> 01:31:25,860
missions

2069
01:31:30,830 --> 01:31:28,860
and and if you look at the shuttles they

2070
01:31:33,229 --> 01:31:30,840
were completely laid in

2071
01:31:37,610 --> 01:31:33,239
with cameras

2072
01:31:40,669 --> 01:31:37,620
on every surface on the robotic arms uh

2073
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:40,679
and then also the astronauts being armed

2074
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:41,760
with

2075
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:47,520
Nikon dslrs and video cameras inside of

2076
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:49,679
their pressurized

2077
01:31:54,590 --> 01:31:52,560
uh spaceship

2078
01:31:59,390 --> 01:31:54,600
shooting footage and taking pictures

2079
01:32:01,910 --> 01:31:59,400
outside of their windows so where did

2080
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:01,920
all that stuff go did all that footage

2081
01:32:07,129 --> 01:32:04,560
and did all those pictures get released

2082
01:32:08,930 --> 01:32:07,139
to the public some of it did

2083
01:32:10,970 --> 01:32:08,940
but a lot of it was probably heavily

2084
01:32:13,850 --> 01:32:10,980
censored and a lot of that stuff is

2085
01:32:16,669 --> 01:32:13,860
probably classified

2086
01:32:19,129 --> 01:32:16,679
so I think Artemis will just have

2087
01:32:21,709 --> 01:32:19,139
more of that

2088
01:32:23,930 --> 01:32:21,719
well I hope um by the time we can get

2089
01:32:25,550 --> 01:32:23,940
you back on early May would be great to

2090
01:32:27,169 --> 01:32:25,560
discuss the fast Walkers documentary

2091
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:27,179
Darcy again is that really good to talk

2092
01:32:30,770 --> 01:32:29,280
to you and also we can talk about the

2093
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:30,780
hearings you know kind of what happened

2094
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:32,639
there maybe any Fallout off the back of

2095
01:32:36,110 --> 01:32:34,560
it and I wanted to ask you before you

2096
01:32:38,209 --> 01:32:36,120
leave is do you want to give us some

2097
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:38,219
final words to the listeners or viewers

2098
01:32:41,330 --> 01:32:39,840
what do you want people to take away

2099
01:32:45,890 --> 01:32:41,340
from the documentary once they've

2100
01:32:51,350 --> 01:32:49,910
um that history repeats itself and uh

2101
01:32:53,629 --> 01:32:51,360
we're probably

2102
01:32:55,610 --> 01:32:53,639
we're we're in an incredible time in

2103
01:32:58,870 --> 01:32:55,620
history there's so much so many things

2104
01:33:02,030 --> 01:32:58,880
going on especially in in terms of

2105
01:33:05,450 --> 01:33:02,040
disclosure and UFO

2106
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:05,460
um activity in Congress

2107
01:33:09,770 --> 01:33:06,239
um

2108
01:33:16,250 --> 01:33:12,709
I feel like there's still going to be

2109
01:33:19,490 --> 01:33:16,260
heavy propaganda and information control

2110
01:33:22,010 --> 01:33:19,500
because we're in an information War just

2111
01:33:24,890 --> 01:33:22,020
as much as a physical war with

2112
01:33:27,110 --> 01:33:24,900
adversaries and uh

2113
01:33:30,590 --> 01:33:27,120
knowledge is power

2114
01:33:32,450 --> 01:33:30,600
and those that hold the knowledge

2115
01:33:35,330 --> 01:33:32,460
control

2116
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:35,340
the masses and and therefore yield the

2117
01:33:38,990 --> 01:33:36,960
power

2118
01:33:41,930 --> 01:33:39,000
will Darcy correct me if I'm wrong but

2119
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:41,940
secret space UFOs Apollo 1-11 should be

2120
01:33:46,490 --> 01:33:43,920
available now on streaming platforms

2121
01:33:48,890 --> 01:33:46,500
including Amazon Prime iTunes Vudu

2122
01:33:51,229 --> 01:33:48,900
Google Play and internationally on Vimeo

2123
01:33:53,810 --> 01:33:51,239
is that correct yeah

2124
01:33:57,290 --> 01:33:53,820
anything I've left off there

2125
01:33:58,610 --> 01:33:57,300
no you got it thanks Andy awesome well I

2126
01:34:00,470 --> 01:33:58,620
can recommend people go and watch that

2127
01:34:01,729 --> 01:34:00,480
one check out folks I did genuinely

2128
01:34:03,770 --> 01:34:01,739
enjoy it I wouldn't recommend it

2129
01:34:05,450 --> 01:34:03,780
otherwise and let us know your thoughts

2130
01:34:07,610 --> 01:34:05,460
and we'll get Darcy back on to discuss

2131
01:34:08,990 --> 01:34:07,620
his next documentary fast Walkers when